Feminism

[David]

Split from 'ISIS' thread

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Guys, what exactly makes a woman a feminist in your eyes?

[David]

In my books, a feminist is a man or woman who:

a) believes women are disadvantaged in our society;

and

b) thinks this should be rectified.

That's the most fundamental definition, I think. It's such a broad statement that it explains why 'feminism' can mean so many different things.

[Skids]

Women disadvantaged in our society hey?
Just like my mate Deans missus, decides she had enough of being with him. Been together 15yrs, 2 kids 9 & 7.
She's disadvantaged by only getting 67.5% of everything.
My , poor disadvantaged ex missus got pretty much everything.
Poor things.

[David]

So, evidently you are not a feminist.

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[Wokko]

Feminists these days are special snowflakes who want life with all rewards, no consequences, no responsibility and a leg up from daddy government. Under what metrics are women in society disadvantaged? Not on health, life expectancy, reproductive rights and success, legal and justice issues, education, employment etc etc. A case could be made for domestic violence, but then you could respond with family court and access and the huge numbers of men commiting suicide.

A toxic ideology, from the temperance movement to the current crop of overly moralistic social justice warriors.

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Well, this is going well already!

Hmm. I rode motor bikes as a kid, first cos I liked a guy who did, then I ditched him, bought a bike, then I did an apprenticeship so I could fix it and meet Peter Brock. Sold the bike, bought a rescue horse, had a cup of coffee and a good old chat with Brocky when he came into GMH one day (still a highlight of my life! My boss arranged it, he was awesome, he used to run the HDT)

Now, well I've been scrubbing walls and tiles all day, went to Bunnings today, looking like something the cat threw up, accidentally bought myself a really cool hammock swing thing that was on special! The dilemma, do I go home and get the ute? Hmm, no lovely guy from Bunnings gets a trolley, loads the 40kg box, waits while I go to the loo, shows me where the things I was meant to get from Bunnings for hubby were, pushed the trolley to the checkout, scans the stuff for me, I pay, he pushes the trolley to my car in the far corner of the car park, where no one else parks, waits while I put the roof down, and very carefully, loads the box into my car without scratching anything! And then he waves and takes the trolley back inside for me!

Hmm.

You can stick this feminist thing where the sun don't shine! Just call me mam!

[Wokko]

Meanwhile I've been looking after my daughter, loading and unloading the dishwasher and finishing up the second load of clothes washing. Did the grocery shopping and am about to start dinner. All while suffering from a horrible cold (Ballarat seems to have some evil viruses).

Maybe I need feminism.

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[Wokko]

I did mention domestic violence, but I would suggest the many men who aren't allowed to even see their children, lose everything and kill themselves would be orders of magnitude higher. Also violent murder is a criminal justice issue and has nothing to do with feminists. Murder of a spouse is, was and always will be seen as abhorrent and punished accordingly. Men used to be hanged for it before the word feminist even existed.

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Wiki definition of Feminism:

Feminism is a range of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.[3]

Feminist movements have campaigned and continue to campaign for women's rights, including the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to education, to enter contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, and to have maternity leave. Feminists have also worked to promote bodily autonomy and integrity, and to protect women and girls from rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence.[4]........

There isn't anything remotely controversial in that.

I cannot understand why we get such ridiculously shrill & emotive responses from people - mystifying.