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inxs88
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Got to give credit to Stephen Wells from Geelong whom took a 6th finishing Cats of 2018 and corrected several list inefficiencies. A club that is never content with meek finals appearances (Hello Melbourne) Wells along with Scott identified those that were expendable and recruited or pushed up players to fill gaping holes. Ironically, many of those for the CATS in 2018 mirror ours in 2019. Consider:
1. Daniel Menzel/Jamie Elliott: both fan favourites but both ravaged by season after season injuries that have made them both allergic to full time football. Unlike Menzel, Elliott would have some sort of currency via free agency and can only hope that there is an "Alan Bond" out there whom offer a "Kerry Packer" like 3 year deal that push his value up. With DeGoey and Grundy signings more critical, I think it's best we cut our losses sadly on a talent like Jamie that can't get it done.
2. Grien Miers Luke Dalhaus: lacked forward pressure and went out and got their men. We currently have lost the art that we essentially invented in 2010 with Cox, Varcoe, Thomas, Mihocek and Hoskin Elliott offering virtually NOTHING hence the coast to coast "give ups" to the opposition. Nathan: fix it or Derek pursue somebody to fix this.
3. Midfield: The Cats have moved Selwood and Danger out for most ballups after goals and brought Kelly, Duncan and Parfitt etc... in. Sorry Nathan but Treloar, Adams, Pendles and Sidebottom ain't getting it done all year. Over to you Crisp, Sier (step up) and others.
4. AVOID the Injured: okay so Reid, Wells, Goldsack, Broomhead, Varcoe are all likely to retire but Geelong have parked or got rid of Henderson, L McCarthy and S Selwood and moved onto fitter and more reliable players: O'Connor, Henry, Parfitt and Ratagalea. Sorry Darcy Moore but you're one more muscle ping from purgatory.
5. Don't tolerate mediocrity: The Cats have refused to gift games to underperformers such as Zac Smith, Harry Taylor, Sam Menegola and others. We refuse to drop poor form recidivists.
We have much work to do.
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| Post subject: Re: Be Brave Derek Hine like Stephen Wells this October | |
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| inxs88 wrote: | ...
4. AVOID the Injured: ... |
He should at least avoid recruiting more injury-prone players.
The club looks like it has a bit of a gambling addiction. "If he gets his body right, he could be a star. Let's get him." |
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What'sinaname 
Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free
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| inxs88 wrote: | Got to give credit to Stephen Wells from Geelong whom took a 6th finishing Cats of 2018 and corrected several list inefficiencies. A club that is never content with meek finals appearances (Hello Melbourne) Wells along with Scott identified those that were expendable and recruited or pushed up players to fill gaping holes. Ironically, many of those for the CATS in 2018 mirror ours in 2019. Consider:
1. Daniel Menzel/Jamie Elliott: both fan favourites but both ravaged by season after season injuries that have made them both allergic to full time football. Unlike Menzel, Elliott would have some sort of currency via free agency and can only hope that there is an "Alan Bond" out there whom offer a "Kerry Packer" like 3 year deal that push his value up. With DeGoey and Grundy signings more critical, I think it's best we cut our losses sadly on a talent like Jamie that can't get it done.
2. Grien Miers Luke Dalhaus: lacked forward pressure and went out and got their men. We currently have lost the art that we essentially invented in 2010 with Cox, Varcoe, Thomas, Mihocek and Hoskin Elliott offering virtually NOTHING hence the coast to coast "give ups" to the opposition. Nathan: fix it or Derek pursue somebody to fix this.
3. Midfield: The Cats have moved Selwood and Danger out for most ballups after goals and brought Kelly, Duncan and Parfitt etc... in. Sorry Nathan but Treloar, Adams, Pendles and Sidebottom ain't getting it done all year. Over to you Crisp, Sier (step up) and others.
4. AVOID the Injured: okay so Reid, Wells, Goldsack, Broomhead, Varcoe are all likely to retire but Geelong have parked or got rid of Henderson, L McCarthy and S Selwood and moved onto fitter and more reliable players: O'Connor, Henry, Parfitt and Ratagalea. Sorry Darcy Moore but you're one more muscle ping from purgatory.
5. Don't tolerate mediocrity: The Cats have refused to gift games to underperformers such as Zac Smith, Harry Taylor, Sam Menegola and others. We refuse to drop poor form recidivists.
We have much work to do. |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Post subject: Re: Be Brave Derek Hine like Stephen Wells this October | |
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | Got to give credit to Stephen Wells from Geelong whom took a 6th finishing Cats of 2018 and corrected several list inefficiencies. A club that is never content with meek finals appearances (Hello Melbourne) Wells along with Scott identified those that were expendable and recruited or pushed up players to fill gaping holes. Ironically, many of those for the CATS in 2018 mirror ours in 2019. Consider:
1. Daniel Menzel/Jamie Elliott: both fan favourites but both ravaged by season after season injuries that have made them both allergic to full time football. Unlike Menzel, Elliott would have some sort of currency via free agency and can only hope that there is an "Alan Bond" out there whom offer a "Kerry Packer" like 3 year deal that push his value up. With DeGoey and Grundy signings more critical, I think it's best we cut our losses sadly on a talent like Jamie that can't get it done.
2. Grien Miers Luke Dalhaus: lacked forward pressure and went out and got their men. We currently have lost the art that we essentially invented in 2010 with Cox, Varcoe, Thomas, Mihocek and Hoskin Elliott offering virtually NOTHING hence the coast to coast "give ups" to the opposition. Nathan: fix it or Derek pursue somebody to fix this.
3. Midfield: The Cats have moved Selwood and Danger out for most ballups after goals and brought Kelly, Duncan and Parfitt etc... in. Sorry Nathan but Treloar, Adams, Pendles and Sidebottom ain't getting it done all year. Over to you Crisp, Sier (step up) and others.
4. AVOID the Injured: okay so Reid, Wells, Goldsack, Broomhead, Varcoe are all likely to retire but Geelong have parked or got rid of Henderson, L McCarthy and S Selwood and moved onto fitter and more reliable players: O'Connor, Henry, Parfitt and Ratagalea. Sorry Darcy Moore but you're one more muscle ping from purgatory.
5. Don't tolerate mediocrity: The Cats have refused to gift games to underperformers such as Zac Smith, Harry Taylor, Sam Menegola and others. We refuse to drop poor form recidivists.
We have much work to do. |
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I would marry this post if it was legal to do so. |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Post subject: Re: Be Brave Derek Hine like Stephen Wells this October | |
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| K wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | ...
4. AVOID the Injured: ... |
He should at least avoid recruiting more injury-prone players.
The club looks like it has a bit of a gambling addiction. "If he gets his body right, he could be a star. Let's get him." |
YEP. Too many if buts and maybes
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PyreneesPie 
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Iit will break my heart to see Ben Reid, Goldy and Varcoe go,as they have all been such magnificent servants to the Pies and each has their own special and wonderful talents. However, I think the time is nigh.
Letting go of Jamie does more than break my heart. It devastates me, but again maybe it has to be done. What he could've been if only his body had held up! He did so much hard work even just to get on our list, let alone trying so damn hard to get his body right since then. It's an absolute tragedy in my book!
Sheeesh, these hard decisions are brutal!!! |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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And what if they don’t win another final again this year ?
Are they still the benchmark for list management ?
I’m not saying they don’t do it well but they need to win a final or two on the MCG before I’m putting them on a pedastool. |
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inxs88
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| Pies2016 wrote: | And what if they don’t win another final again this year ?
Are they still the benchmark for list management ?
I’m not saying they don’t do it well but they need to win a final or two on the MCG before I’m putting them on a pedastool. |
That would be more mental than physical if they don't.
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We're obviously still in a Window of Mediocrity, which started in 2016, with cheap premierships there for the taking.
So there's no great list or team right now, certainly not Geebung. |
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tbaker
Joined: 02 Jul 2018
Location: Q19 Southern Stand MCG
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| Post subject: Re: Time to be COPY CATS Collingwood | |
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| inxs88 wrote: | | Got to give credit to Stephen Wells from Geelong whom took a 6th finishing Cats of 2018 and corrected several list inefficiencies. |
Well, if we had an almost full list to choose from (as Geelong has presently), it might also look as though we'd corrected list inefficiencies. In other words, it all looks great when things are going well and you have all players available for selection...
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010
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| tbaker wrote: | | inxs88 wrote: | | Got to give credit to Stephen Wells from Geelong whom took a 6th finishing Cats of 2018 and corrected several list inefficiencies. |
Well, if we had an almost full list to choose from (as Geelong has presently), it might also look as though we'd corrected list inefficiencies. In other words, it all looks great when things are going well and you have all players available for selection... |
I think you've missed the point.
Our problem is we don't ever have a full list to choose from. |
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masoncox
masoncox
Joined: 31 Aug 2015
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Seriously what would Moore be worth on the trade table.
I reckon a 2nd round pick...and a late one at that.
Same with Elliot but with him a 3rd round pick.
No one is going to give up decent coin for 2 perpetual player
who are always injured.
Same with the Berg. ... 3 knee reco's!
The 4 first round draft picks given up for Beams and Treloar
may well kill this club for a decade.
2 first round picks ..... only for elite high impact players and they are not! |
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masoncox
masoncox
Joined: 31 Aug 2015
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Seriously what would Moore be worth on the trade table.
I reckon a 2nd round pick...and a late one at that.
Same with Elliot but with him a 3rd round pick.
No one is going to give up decent coin for 2 perpetual player
who are always injured.
Same with the Berg. ... 3 knee reco's!
The 4 first round draft picks given up for Beams and Treloar
may well kill this club for a decade.
2 first round picks ..... only for elite high impact players and they are not! |
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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| masoncox wrote: | Seriously what would Moore be worth on the trade table.
I reckon a 2nd round pick...and a late one at that.
Same with Elliot but with him a 3rd round pick.
No one is going to give up decent coin for 2 perpetual player
who are always injured.
Same with the Berg. ... 3 knee reco's!
The 4 first round draft picks given up for Beams and Treloar
may well kill this club for a decade.
2 first round picks ..... only for elite high impact players and they are not! |
All would have been forgiven if JDG went with McGovern, or if Langdon spoiled Ryan, or if Dom Sheed wasn’t left alone inside D50.
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woodys_world69
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Brisbane
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Serious over reaction this thread.... They are not mind readers... How will Collingwood know any new players they bring in are not just as injury prone as the players they throw out?
Yes all the dead weight of Reid/goldsack will go at end of the year but they tried replacing turn with our fit youth and they where not up to scratch
2019 Geelong could be decimated by injury in the last few weeks/finals. |
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