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stui magpie wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | <snip – let’s try to keep things respectful. Thanks, David for BBMods.> |
Really?
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now im curious!! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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If RA need to fire Castle, I'm wondering what the financial cost will be. I see articles like: "Castle denies being 'architect' of Bulldogs salary cap woes" from her previous job at Canterbury, but not much about her RA contract.
Oh, boy, this sounds familiar... "Bulldogs officials have revealed the club cannot be active in the transfer market until 2021 because players were offered back-ended contracts" and "the Bulldogs have already implemented a number of new signing protocols to ensure things don’t get out of hand again", but Castle said she was "very comfortable" with what happened. |
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' “The 72-hour window for Israel Folau to appeal his high-level Code of Conduct breach and sanction has expired,” a RA statement said.
“As Folau has not notified the panel of his intention to appeal, the Code of Conduct process has now formally concluded.
“With the Code of Conduct matter complete, Folau’s employment contract will be terminated.”
The Daily Telegraph reported on Saturday that Folau and his legal team were expected to take the landmark, high profile case to either the Supreme Court or Federal Court — a process that would be very costly for both the 30-year-old and the cash strapped national body.'
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'... the ATO has told revealed to The Sunday Telegraph they will be monitoring donations to the former star with reports it could be funnelled through his church ... in order to get a tax deduction.
Reports suggest Folau’s legal costs could be upwards of $1 million.' |
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David
I dare you to try
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Whatever one's thoughts happen to be on this case, it's appalling that an unfair dismissal case can cost a plaintiff so much. I'm guessing it'd be a substantially lower figure if the amount of money on the line were less (as it would be in most industries), but still, surely we can all agree that justice shouldn't just be available to those who can afford it. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Yep, and not just for unfair dismissal cases, of course, but for all legal actions.
Meanwhile, Folau: "My decision not to commence Rugby Australia’s appeal process is in no way an acceptance of the judicial panel’s findings.
"I simply do not have confidence in Rugby Australia’s ability to treat me fairly or lawfully throughout this process." |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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David wrote: | Whatever one's thoughts happen to be on this case, it's appalling that an unfair dismissal case can cost a plaintiff so much. I'm guessing it'd be a substantially lower figure if the amount of money on the line were less (as it would be in most industries), but still, surely we can all agree that justice shouldn't just be available to those who can afford it. |
What are you gibbering about? This isn't in anyway a normal unfair dismissal case.
The cost of lodging an unfair dismissal claim at Fair Work is minimal, you don't need to have a barrister to represent you or even a lawyer. This as much about contract law as employment law and Folaou chose to engage high priced legal representation, he didn't need them.
For the average person in unfair dismissal, justice is available regardless of their capacity to pay. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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And what's your chance of winning such a case without a barrister? We all know that expensive legal advice increases one's chances of victory; otherwise why would people like Folau seek it out? Money still plays a huge role in the outcome of such cases. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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And it's not like Folau is out-spending RA. It sounds like they're outspending him. |
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stui magpie
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Exhibit A
Quote: | When Queensland sawmill worker Jeremy Lee refused to give his fingerprints to his employer as part of a new work sign-in, he wasn't just thinking about his privacy.
It was a matter of ownership.
"It's my biometric data. It's not appropriate for them to have it," he tells RN's The Law Report.
For not agreeing to the new system, Mr Lee was sacked.
What followed was a legal battle that delivered the first unfair dismissal decision of its kind in Australia.
Mr Lee represented himself before the full bench of the Fair Work Commission — and won. |
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-21/fingerprints-biometric-data-worker-wins-unfair-dismissal-case/11129338
And to Folau, he was fighting at an internal tribunal, not a court or any recognised authority. When you're earning $1M+ per year on a sporting contract, different rules apply. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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They should probably just stick a sign up saying that Christians, Muslims and Jews aren't welcome and be done with it. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Israel Folau's sacking shines light on confusion between athletes and sports bodies on religious expression
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-23/israel-folau-sacking-catches-out-australian-sport-rugby-union/11138902
'When Queensland Reds captain Samu Kerevi posted on social media: "Thank You Jesus for dying on the cross for me", it set off a firestorm that saw the Australian rugby union international initially apologise for the post, then clarify that he did not need to apologise.
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Professor McCallum said the codes needed to be more specific and social media policies should be included in contracts.
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It is a matter that could very well be tested under Australia's Fair Work Act if Folau takes his case to the Federal Court, citing religious discrimination.
"The live legal question is how far can an employer go in curbing an employee's activities outside working hours or [in their] personal lives and how do you draw that distinction in the first place," Sydney University senior lecturer in employment law Giuseppe Carabetta said.
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Professor McCallum said the sports want certainty.
"They want your property," he said.
"They're buying you[r] body and soul." ' |
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David wrote: | They should probably just stick a sign up saying that Christians, Muslims and Jews aren't welcome and be done with it. |
The Samu Kerevi story in the article above suggests you may be right, David. |
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David
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K wrote: | Quote: | Professor McCallum said the sports want certainty.
"They want your property," he said.
"They're buying you body and soul." |
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Chilling. But at least people are starting to recognise what's at stake here. Personally, I'm hoping that companies do try to write these codes of conduct "in stone", as the article suggests – it'll provide something concrete to fight against. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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