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Skids 
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All this over some ridiculous fairy tale books written centuries ago.
The lunatics are almost in a controlling position now.
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thesoretoothsayer
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Funny that when it was "eggboy" (and others) the media seemed to have no problem with crowfunding.
Now it's Falou, suddenly we get pictures of children with leukemia and lectures about the proper use of crowdfunding.
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David 
I dare you to try
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soretoothsayer, can we please not agree? It's making me uncomfortable. 
But yeah, in all seriousness, you could fertilise every farm in the country with the amount of bullshit being flung around this case.
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thesoretoothsayer
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| I suppose populists and the left can agree that handing morality over to large corporations and the mainstream media isn't a great idea. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | Funny that when it was "eggboy" (and others) the media seemed to have no problem with crowfunding.
Now it's Falou, suddenly we get pictures of children with leukemia and lectures about the proper use of crowdfunding.
Just saying. |
Key difference is, eggboy attacked a far right pollie so the left loved him
Folau said Gays would go to hell unless they repented their sins, which the left hated and applied pressure to the company, as we've seen previously, and they folded.
My objection to him raising money that way for a court battle was simply that he is already wealthy. Fund the case yourself or get the church to kick in and support you, don't ask ordinary people to give you cash. I didn't support eggboy's bid either, but he didn't start the page, someone else did, he got pro bono legal support and donated the money top the Christchurch appeal.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Folau. Granted he's not the brightest bunny in the hutch but he's made millions playing sport and has a sizeable following. Despite having had enough conversations with Rugby Aus about what was acceptable, he used his fame to push his beliefs.
I'm comfortable that his intent was not malicious but he was dead set dumb. When any celebrity these days publicly goes against the progressive left agenda they should just paint a bullseye on their arse, bend over and wait to be FUBAR.
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K
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GoFundMe has set itself up as judge, jury and executioner
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/gofundme-has-set-itself-up-as-judge-jury-and-executioner-20190624-p520pe.html
"Yet, GoFundMe continues to list 17,000-plus legal fund campaigns.
Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young continues to raise funds on her year-old GoFundMe campaign for defamation claim against Senator David Leyonhjelm.
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GoFundMe’s conduct should alarm all Australians interested in fair and equal access to justice. Anyone who wants to fundraise to have their day in an Australian court now has an extra barrier.
Our law firm, the Human Rights Law Alliance has assisted a variety of Australians who have stories similar to Folau ... These average Australians do not have the fame, wealth or public support of Folau. If they want justice, they face expensive legal fees, long and complex court proceedings, the uncertainty of potential appeals and ultimate responsibility for an opponent’s costs if unsuccessful. On top of that, GoFundMe has now placed another barrier in front of victims of religious discrimination who want to fund raise – a prejudgment from GoFundMe about whether they are bigots or not. Freedom of speech suffers if certain claimants’ legal claims are decided by a corporation before they can get to the courts." |
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Morrigu 
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Too bad so sad - NOT!
The left, the right, freedom of speech, freedom of religion blah blah blah 
Pretty simple for me - in this day and age as a professional you are bound by a Code of Conduct you agree to it when you sign your employment contract and take the money you are paid for doing the job you agreed to do.
If you don't want to abide by the Code of Conduct your profession has in place - you are free not to - go get another job where a Code of Conduct that you feel restricts your freedom to say whatever you like , whenever you like, to whoever you like is not in place.
You don't get to take the dollars and then thumb your nose at the conditions you agreed to - that's what Folau did and quite reasonably he faced the consequences.
That's it - that's why he lost his job - not because of his religion but because he didn't think he should have to conform to the conditions of his employment contract!
And then to beg publicly for funds to legally challenge a decision that occurred totally because of his own actions with " fight of my life" - please spare me!!! |
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K
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You could say GoFundMe, as just another profit-making corporation, is not responsible for trying to fix the lack of access for all to the justice system. |
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Morrigu
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| David wrote: | | I’ve been thinking of writing a piece on this, obviously in support of Folau. Won’t the reaction to that be edifying. |
You should - be sure to include how you think it is reasonable and acceptable for a person to breach the Code of Conduct included in their employment contract that they agreed to and freely signed but yet .....
| David wrote: | On Nick’s BB, like any other public forum, there’s a balance to be maintained between freedom of speech and restrictions on what can be said.
As has always been the case, posts that break the rules will be edited or deleted, and posters who do so may be warned or sanctioned. |
That should indeed be edifying. |
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stui magpie
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You go girl.
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'... Law Council of Australia president Arthur Moses, SC said the company made the right move.
"Given the legal uncertainties surrounding the use of crowdfunding to raise money to support litigation, it is my view that GoFundMe took the appropriate action in cancelling Israel Folau’s fundraising campaign," Moses said.
"GoFundMe is entitled to rely on its terms and conditions in order to terminate the fundraising campaign. It is the appropriate course of action.
"The issue of crowdfunding and its application to litigation opens up a range of complex issues that the legal profession and courts must now grapple with in order to protect the public and the integrity of the administration of justice.
"The legal profession will need to consider closely establishing ethical rules and guidance for practitioners who are conducting crowdfunded litigation."'
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/australian-christian-lobby-throws-100-000-into-new-folau-fund-20190624-p520ur.html |
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K
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| ^ Sounds like a strange claim if the bloke in the other article is right that 17,000 legal fund campaigns continue on GoFundme, including Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young's. |
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David
I dare you to try
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| Morrigu wrote: | | David wrote: | | I’ve been thinking of writing a piece on this, obviously in support of Folau. Won’t the reaction to that be edifying. |
You should - be sure to include how you think it is reasonable and acceptable for a person to breach the Code of Conduct included in their employment contract that they agreed to and freely signed but yet .....
| David wrote: | On Nick’s BB, like any other public forum, there’s a balance to be maintained between freedom of speech and restrictions on what can be said.
As has always been the case, posts that break the rules will be edited or deleted, and posters who do so may be warned or sanctioned. |
That should indeed be edifying. |
This isn't as clever a point as you may think it is. The real counterpoint to the forum rules would not be what an employee can say outside the workplace, but what they say in the workplace.
In Folau's case, if he told a gay opponent, or league employee, or locker-room cleaner that they were going to hell, I would have no opposition to Rugby Australia placing sanctions on him. The reason for that is that, just as I believe that employers shouldn't be able to exert control over what their employees do outside the workplace, I do believe that they should have the right to police, to a certain extent, what goes on within their own walls; indeed, that's precisely what codes of conduct should be for.
Most people understand, or at least used to understand, that society is made up of different sectors. As citizens, we are subject to the law of the land. If we are students, we are additionally subject to school policy on, say, wearing uniforms or talking in class. If we work in a job, we abide by a code of conduct. That doesn't mean that what's in those codes of conduct doesn't matter, or shouldn't themselves be subject to the laws of the land. Indeed, they very much should be, and the fact that workplaces sometimes come up with bad codes of conduct, or place unfair, unreasonable or unhealthy expectations on workers is why the union movement exists. Likewise, if students, parents or teachers want to complain about a school policy that they don't like, that is their right, and sometimes they will win.
Otherwise, this basic principle goes not just for workplaces, but also for all sorts of voluntary associations: if you want to set up a club that's only for socialists, Christians or cabinetmakers, that is your right. Similarly, I'm not one of those people who gets particularly outraged about the fact that Instagram and Facebook ban nudity, because that's ultimately the kind of online space that they've decided to set up. Likewise, the Nick's Bulletin Board administration and moderation team have decided that we want a space that is a) only for Collingwood supporters, b) a civil, respectful space and c) free of swearing, racism, spam advertising and so on. We know and have always accepted that these rules are stricter than those that exist out in wider society. If anyone thinks that the rules we have written down and enforced are unfair or over-the-top, they and anyone else who agrees with them are welcome to complain about it – indeed, we have a whole sub-forum (General Feedback) for that precise purpose.
Otherwise, we don't care what you post on Facebook. It's not our business as bulletin board moderators if you get road rage, or are an official paid-up member of One Nation, or even commit serial killings in your spare time – and, indeed, I (and I think everyone else on the moderation team) would strongly oppose banning any member for what they do outside of here. All we care about is maintaining this online space and keeping it a friendly and functional environment.
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