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KenH Gemini



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:17 pm
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watt price tully wrote:
I had a case of “mancold” where I was on anti-biotics. Unfortunately I experienced side effects. I had a nightmare where I woke up and really thought the Australian public were stupid & gullible enough to pay attention to scaremongering & vote in the right-wing climate change denying & troglodyte dwelling policy vacuum nitwits. Fancy that.


Sorry mate, you better go back to bed for another 3 years, unfortunately the nightmare is real!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:50 pm
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Perhaps go visit the great barrier reef first. Doubt it will be there in 3 years time.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
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David wrote:

You're missing the point of the cartoon; clearly, the guy in the suit is supposed to be a representative from a fossil-fuel mining or other big polluting company, and the idea is that short-term corporate greed is being prioritised over the future of the planet, which of course is the entire history of anthropogenic climate change over the past half a century. Not sure how you get "denigrating 50% of the population" from that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

Otherwise, I'll leave it to climate scientists to decide whether or not we're at a crisis point – the prevailing view there seems to be an overwhelming "yes".


OK, the cartoon was clearly too deep for me then.

The denigrating 50% of the population wasn't about the cartoon and I thought I said wasn't specifically about you, but at those who label those who voted Lib/Nat with denigrating terms.

In regard to climate scientists and crisis point, if you read stuff from people with the underlying environmental agenda, yes we probably are but I doubt any of them could actually explain why in terms a genuine scientist would agree with.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't decrease or increase over night, it takes time. We've been hearing and reading prophesies of imminent doom for decades now, predictions that haven't happened.

I agree with taking action on reducing emissions but it needs to be a sensibly timed transition, not something done in panic because of baseless slogans being chanted by chicken littles.

Something to consider if you want to research something, check out "Maunder Minimum" and see what some of the forecasts are.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:34 pm
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roar wrote:
Perhaps go visit the great barrier reef first. Doubt it will be there in 3 years time.


10,000 years ago, all the parts that people snorkel now weren't there as sea level was 100m lower. The polyps that make the reef have survived millions of years and multiple climate changes.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:55 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
David wrote:

You're missing the point of the cartoon; clearly, the guy in the suit is supposed to be a representative from a fossil-fuel mining or other big polluting company, and the idea is that short-term corporate greed is being prioritised over the future of the planet, which of course is the entire history of anthropogenic climate change over the past half a century. Not sure how you get "denigrating 50% of the population" from that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

Otherwise, I'll leave it to climate scientists to decide whether or not we're at a crisis point – the prevailing view there seems to be an overwhelming "yes".


OK, the cartoon was clearly too deep for me then.

The denigrating 50% of the population wasn't about the cartoon and I thought I said wasn't specifically about you, but at those who label those who voted Lib/Nat with denigrating terms.

In regard to climate scientists and crisis point, if you read stuff from people with the underlying environmental agenda, yes we probably are but I doubt any of them could actually explain why in terms a genuine scientist would agree with.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't decrease or increase over night, it takes time. We've been hearing and reading prophesies of imminent doom for decades now, predictions that haven't happened.

I agree with taking action on reducing emissions but it needs to be a sensibly timed transition, not something done in panic because of baseless slogans being chanted by chicken littles.

Something to consider if you want to research something, check out "Maunder Minimum" and see what some of the forecasts are.

Obviously, none of your family are polar bears or you'd be less relaxed about this.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 8:01 pm
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^

I'm used to extreme weather, I grew up in country NSW

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 9:18 pm
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I wrote this the other day – some food for thought, hopefully:

https://newmatilda.com/2019/05/21/the-real-tragedy-will-be-if-labor-withdraws-to-its-small-sighted-racist-past/

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:17 pm
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Concise, well-written article. Congratulations.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:24 pm
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Thanks! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 4:01 pm
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Great article David, I didn't know about Calwell history! I also agree and hope that Labor don't head more "right" Labor needs to go further left.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 pm
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I've been seeing a lot of rubbish on social media about this or that candidate only getting a handful of first-preference votes. See the Tweet below as an example:

https://twitter.com/JohnJohnsonson/status/1130736053235531776

While it would be nice if true, it's a total misunderstanding on at least two levels: 1) these are only provisional figures at this stage, and below-the-line counting has barely started (by the time counting finishes in a fortnight or thereabouts, below-the-line totals for these candidates will likely end up ranging from high hundreds to thousands); and 2) they ignore the fact that candidates like Palmer, Anning and other upper-house party lead candidates are the beneficiaries of all above-the-line votes for their parties, so you can at least add another zero onto to whatever below-the-line tally they end up with.

Here are the final 2016 Queensland senate figures as a case in point:

https://results.aec.gov.au/20499/Website/SenateStateFirstPrefs-20499-QLD.htm

The reason Anning famously got only 19 votes below the line last time had nothing to do with his personal popularity or unpopularity (pretty much nobody had ever heard of him!). It was because he was the third-placed candidate in a minor party. Nothing remotely similar will happen to him this time around; he'll easily get thousands (though, happily, still not enough to win!).

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:22 pm
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KenH wrote:
Great article David, I didn't know about Calwell history! I also agree and hope that Labor don't head more "right" Labor needs to go further left.


Thanks Ken! Couldn't agree more. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:24 pm
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You write very well David!

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Don't they get nasty when they lose.


Well there's p'd off and the utterance of seemingly uncomplimentary comments and then there is.......

Prabowo Subianto's loss in Indonesia's election sparks deadly protests in Jakarta

Six people have died and 200 have been injured in civil unrest in the Indonesian capital after the election commission confirmed President Joko Widodo had won last month's election, according to Jakarta's Governor

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-22/jakarta-protests-joko-widodo-re-election-turn-deadly/11138636
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:33 pm
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David wrote:
KenH wrote:
Great article David, I didn't know about Calwell history! I also agree and hope that Labor don't head more "right" Labor needs to go further left.


Thanks Ken! Couldn't agree more. Smile


The history of the last 20 years suggests if they do that, they'll be in opposition for a generation, battling the Greens for inner city seats.

And yeah, Morrigu, that's some pissed off people, mind you probably put on by the loser rather than a genuine people uprising.

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:52 pm
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KenH wrote:
Great article David, I didn't know about Calwell history! I also agree and hope that Labor don't head more "right" Labor needs to go further left.

Labor can't afford to drift further left, or else they'll become electoral poison.

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