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swoop42 Virgo

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:08 pm
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You have to wonder if the Police officer wasn't black, Muslim and the victim a white affluent woman if the same verdict would have been reached.

If anything good can come out of this tragedy it's that I hope far more scrutiny is placed on Police shootings no matter the ethnicity of the victim or officer.

#BlackLivesMatter

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:27 pm
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swoop42 wrote:
You have to wonder if the Police officer wasn't black, Muslim and the victim a white affluent woman if the same verdict would have been reached.

If anything good can come out of this tragedy it's that I hope far more scrutiny is placed on Police shootings no matter the ethnicity of the victim or officer.

#BlackLivesMatter


definitely

i was going to post a link, but didnt want to deflect, just google unarmed black man shot by police, the most recent was a white female officer, and like this case She also panicked, but unlike this case She had less reason and was not even charged. they are not hard to find sadly.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:02 am
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Enforcing bodycam use is a good start. Not much use having them if they're not used, though there are articles that suggest they haven't helped as much as hoped.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:59 am
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Look at deaths, in Minesota alone then.

Since 2000, there has been 179 deaths from police officers guns.

46 were black, 10 were Asian, 11 were American Indian & 106 were white.

Whites make up 49% of the population in the USA, yet are the victims of police shootings in 60% of cases.

#Alllivesmatter.

http://m.startribune.com/fatal-police-encounters-since-2000/502088871/
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think positive Libra

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:19 am
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https://www.bustle.com/articles/171226-what-percentage-of-minnesota-is-black-the-racial-disparity-in-the-state-is-a-real-problem

You don’t get to pick and choose your stats, 79% of residents of Minnesota are white, so your figures don’t point to a white bias in this state. The report is nearly three years old but I doubt the figures have changed that much.

I’ve travelled around the states enough to roughly know what part of the population is where.

Have a look at the census map it’s quite interesting
http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.html

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:01 am
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^ lol, was going to post the same thing – Skids, your own statistics show that non-white people are over-represented in these killings. That’s not necessarily evidence of racism on its own, but broader trends do suggest that black men in particular are more likely to be targeted.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:06 am
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Isn't that because they're all criminals and all the white people shot by police were decent, law-abiding folk? Or am I reading too much into the figures? Shocked Laughing Shocked Laughing Shocked Laughing Shocked Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:33 pm
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You have to take into account total interactions with police. Black Americans are far more likely to be involved in crime than whites and therefore far more likely to interact with police.

It'd take a lot of data and analysis to get a read on the figures but it goes way beyond population ratio.

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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 4:02 am
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https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/noor-trial-juror-justine-damonds-killer-was-a-good-guy/news-story/6b071406a24c16ee5269b6737aeea3da

' “Police officers have to adhere to their training. Part of that is following the mental checklist of, ‘is this person a threat?’ And clearly that wasn’t followed here.”

According to the juror, Noor’s testimony was largely taken “with a heavy grain of salt because of discrepancies” with his partner’s evidence, the latter of which was supported by forensic evidence.

“He felt genuine when he was talking about his past and upbringing, but something just felt off when he started talking about the events of that night,” the juror said of Noor.

“Being able to talk about calls and events earlier that night in specific detail but have no recollection of important events afterwards. We didn’t take a lot of stock in his testimony because the forensic evidence supported Harrity’s testimony...everything just felt off.”
...


“I don’t think there was a grand conspiracy or anything, but we sensed a pretty big rift between Minneapolis Police Department and the prosecution. And I think we guessed that there was something going on there. But I don’t think in terms of facts of the case, I don’t think we were not told anything specific that we needed to know.” '
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:53 am
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thats a very sad read.

Clearly they empathise with him, but then:

he juror who spoke on local radio said he believed Ms Damond “did make contact with the car”.

“But we didn’t really feel that was super-relevant,” he said.

“Yeah, officers get startled all the time, and she poses no threat.

“It was two seconds time, he made a bad mistake, and even if you have a split-second decision, you’re still responsible for the decisions you make.

“Police officers have to adhere to their training. Part of that is following the mental checklist of, ‘is this person a threat?’ And clearly that wasn’t followed here.”

seriously, why would you be a cop? hesitate another time and its too late your dead.

ive seen other cases where the cop had a clearer choice, more time, you do have to wonder why this is the case they pick to make a stand. and by that im not saying Justine and her family dont deserve justice, (as ive said before, they do, im just not sure what that looks like) or even that someone else might be more deserving, but you dont have to look hard to find a more convincing case or excess force, where charges were not even laid.

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:06 pm
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Some clarity around the murder AND manslaughter guilty verdicts:

THE VERDICT

The verdicts were delivered one by one. In the days prior to reaching these verdicts, the jury heard definitions and explanations for each charge to help them decide whether he was guilty or not guilty of each.

Not guilty: 2nd Degree Murder: This was the most serious of the three charges for Noor. It is intentional murder but without premeditation.

The exact Definition as per court document is: “Under the laws of Minnesota, a person intentionally causing the death of another person, but without premeditation, is guilty of murder in the second degree.”

Guilty: 3rd Degree Murder: It is unintentional murder by acting eminently dangerously to others and evincing a depraved mind.

Exact Definition as per court document: “Under Minnesota law, a person causing the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and without regard for human life, but without intent to cause the death of any person, is guilty of murder in the third degree.”

Guilty: 2nd Degree Manslaughter: This is causing someone’s death by culpable negligence.

Exact Definition as per court document: m “Under Minnesota law, whoever by culpable negligence, whereby he creates an unreasonable risk and consciously takes the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to another person, causes the death of another is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree.”


https://www.9news.com.au/world/justine-damond-ruszczyk-trial-mohamed-noor-minneapolis-news/be841c51-4a7d-436d-8349-886e7ec27faa
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:18 pm
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So does that mean that he just serves the penalty for the most severe charge he was found guilty of (which I presume is third-degree murder)? Obviously a different process to what we do here, but I guess that would make a little more sense than being punished twice for the same crime.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:35 pm
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Depends on the US state. In all likelihood, the fact that they charged him with 3 offences means he gets a penalty for each offence
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 2:39 am
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Justine Damond: US city of Minneapolis pays family $20m

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48158787

"Her family say they will donate $2m towards fighting gun violence.

The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, said unprecedented circumstances played a role in the settlement, which is the highest the city in the state of Minnesota has ever paid out.
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The Ruszczyk's attorney, Robert Bennett, said the family was quietly satisfied with the settlement.

It would send "an unmistakable message to change the Minneapolis Police Department in ways that will help all of its communities," he added.
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Prosecutors questioned whether the loud bang was real, pointing out that neither Noor nor his partner initially mentioned anything at the scene about hearing such a noise.

Ms Damond's fingerprints were not found on the squad car, the court heard."
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:02 am
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Family of black man shot by police demands payout equal to Damond's

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/family-of-black-man-shot-by-police-demands-payout-equal-to-damond-s-20190522-p51pub.html

'Clark's family filed a civil lawsuit in 2017 against the city but the parties have not come to an agreement.

Settlement talks continue.'
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