New Zealand terror attack at mosque

[stui magpie]

Say something bad about Islam and you get leapt on like Egg Boi but anti semetic stuff, particularly when it comes from a Muslim, slides straight through to the keeper. Dare to call it out, like Chelsea Clinton did, you get branded Islamaphobic and a hate speech peddler.

[stui magpie]

Just some food for thought.

This is an interesting article about the 3 different kinds of Islam and the knife edge Europe currently sits on.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/akbar-ahmed-islam-europe/559391/

Other interesting facts. New Zealand has been rightly praised for it's inclusiveness and how welcoming they are to people of different cultures. Yet, it's refugee intake has been less than 25% of Australia's per capita.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/calls-for-new-zealand-to-increase-dismal-refugee-intake

They have also had in place since 2009 quota restrictions on taking refugees from the middle east and Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_in_New_Zealand

So their approach seems to have been to allow in very few refugees from "trouble spots" but for those they bring in, they throw their arms around them even trialling a community sponsorship approach.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108889889/govt-urged-to-make-refugee-community-sponsorship-pilot-programme-permanent

I don't have particular point here, New Zealand's approach seems to have worked well, but if everyone copied it there would be millions of refugees awaiting settlement.

[pietillidie]

[stui magpie]

Yeah, slightly different context here. The Islamic literalist's are a short step removed from the extremeists which give birth to ISIS and al qaeda and if present history is any guide, the literalists are winning.

Islamic societies are tracking more toward literalism and fundamentalism than modernism. Just look at the evidence.

[stui magpie]

A guy charged with posting on social media supporting the Christchurch massacre, police found a loaded unlicensed fire arm and a couple of flick knives in his house, released on bail on the condition he doesn't access the internet.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-02/alleged-christchurch-supporter-fails-to-overturn-internet-ban/10963092

How the **** do you enforce that?

Yes, Police could monitor his known social media profiles to see if he posts anything, but it would be easy to create new ones.

If he has internet at home, they could monitor it or order it turned off and they could probably track his mobile internet use on his phone, but getting a pre paid sim card is piss easy.

So, I repeat, how do you really enforce that and, if it's not enforceable, why order it?

Watching Netflix requires accessing the internet, so does internet banking, online betting, the Centrelink App, etc. Wouldn't it be smarter to be more specific like ordering him to not post anything regarding the Christchurch Massacre or Islam in general, give him rope and monitor his and his friends social media accounts?

I don't have any sympathy for this tool if he actually wrote things supporting the massacre of innocent people, but breaching bail because the missus put on Netflix and you watched it is a bit rough. If he's that big of a threat, just don't give him bail.

[Wokko]

Why the hell would you post that stuff if you have an unregistered firearm? It was pretty common knowledge that police and intelligence services were coming down hard on anything that looked like someone who was going to copycat this guy so why would you red flag yourself? Dude was either already on a watchlist or someone dobbed him in, either way despite the obvious issue of over surveillance and questionable policing this guy is a moron.

[stui magpie]

^

Him being a moron is, I think, not up for debate. It's a given.

[ronrat]

This dickhead can quite easily pay a third party internet provider to run his website and forward emails in written form etc. But I doubt anyone will want to employ him anyway.

[K]

Kiwi media agree to avoid ideology in reporting trial of Christchurch accused

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/kiwi-media-agree-to-avoid-ideology-in-reporting-trial-of-christchurch-accused-20190502-p51jcg.html

"But free speech advocates have argued that New Zealand's Chief Censor David Shanks went too far when he banned Tarrant's manifesto soon after the attacks. The ban means anybody caught with the document on their computer could face up to 10 years in prison, while anyone caught sending it could face 14 years."

[David]

Yeah, that doesn't sit well with me either.

[K]

"And Danish journalist Claus Blok Thomsen, who ... covered the trial of Norwegian right-wing extremist *** ... said in March that there were dangers in censoring ***. He said media agreed to similar restrictions ..., which pleased many so-called experts but angered some of the families of victims.

"They said when we start to censor ourselves, we just make him into a martyr," Thomsen said. "We are not able to learn how mad this guy was, what his thinking was, until everything is out in the light." "


How is that a good argument? The people who might hope to "learn how mad this guy was" are not the general public. For the general public, it's at best just voyeurism.

[stui magpie]

Guess I'm not taking my PC to NZ then, I downloaded a copy of it to get an insight into what motivated him to do this, and I suspect I wasn't the only one who did that.

Having a copy of Mien Kamph doesn't make you a Nazi, having a copy of that manifesto doesn't make you a white supremacist.

I also have a copy of the Unabombers manifesto, but haven't blown anything up. recently.

[swoop42]

You have the manifesto and the bush shack so you're on your way.

[stui magpie]

I also have an attic in the bush shack.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/brisbane-mosque-vandalised-with-christchurch-references/11501684

Among the symbols plastered on the exterior walls was a Nazi swastika and the words "St Tarrant" and "Remove Kebabs".

Holland Park mosque president, Ali Kadri, said he was devastated but not surprised by the attack.

"Obviously St Tarrant is a reference to Brenton Tarrant, the terrorist who killed people in Christchurch," Mr Kadri said.

"And 'Remove Kebabs' was written on his gun when he was shooting people at the mosques."