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Pies4shaw 
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| Cam wrote: | | People are radicalised by hate speech. Doesn't matter what colour or creed they are. It's hate speech that needs to be eliminated. 'Fighting back' means you just become what you are hating in the first place, a killer of innocents, a terror creator, a terror-ist. |
Yes - and Nick's is making its own small contribution to that process. The racist Yiannopolous is not now allowed into Australia and Franus is told, repeatedly, by politicians from all sides (including One Notion) that his comments have no place in our political discourse but posts of that same general tenor are permitted here, over and over again. The Mods need to take a good hard look, lest the Feds ban this site.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZCompuLawJl/2014/4.pdf
https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/2471000/Mason-and-Czapski-411-Advance.pdf |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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stui magpie
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Piece here about NZ gun laws.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/how-the-christchurch-shooter-obtained-powerful-militarystyle-weapons/news-story/eaeec3112cefe61cf995397e1565304a
A couple of interesting facts, there's an estimated 1.5 million guns in NZ with an adult population of less than 4 million (total pop is 4.8M) so that's more than 1 gun for every 3 adults. (by comparison Australia has a bit over double the amount of guns but nearly 7 times the population)
Yet, with reasonably relaxed gun laws and a high concentration of firearms across the population, the level of gun related violence is quite low. Until now.
The death toll is now up to 50 with another 50 injured, many seriously so.
Police have apparently confirmed that there was only the one shooter. That's a lot of carnage for one piece of shit to cause.
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ But it isn't guns that kill - a determined chap could do the same damage with thinly sliced watermelon. |
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swoop42 
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https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/christchurch-shooting-man-tells-how-he-grabbed-gunman-s-rifle-and-scared-him-away-20190317-p514uo.html
A good man with an empty gun.
Fake news I'm sure.
| Quote: | The gunman returned, firing. Aziz said he ran, weaving through cars parked in the driveway, which prevented the gunman from getting a clean shot. Then Aziz spotted a gun the gunman had abandoned and picked it up, pointed it and squeezed the trigger. It was empty.
He said the gunman ran back to the car for a second time, likely to grab yet another weapon.
"He gets into his car and I just got the gun and threw it on his window like an arrow and blasted his window," he said.
The windshield shattered: "That's why he got scared." |
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stui magpie
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ But it isn't guns that kill - a determined chap could do the same damage with thinly sliced watermelon. |
Or a pencil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlb8bSQzSxg
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Wokko 
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The NZ killer described himself as a former communist and current environmental/eco-fascist, so someone who believes we need total State control to protect the environment.
He hates conservatism and capitalism. Stated Trump, while a beacon for white identity wasn't someone whose politics he liked at all.
He is anti private gun ownership. He used guns to bring about gun control and force civil war/balkanization of the USA.
He expressed admiration for communist China and said that is the current politics his is closest to.
Being anti immigration or anti muslim doesn't make someone a 'right winger', in fact that position was one of the working class/union left until very recently. The Right have traditionally been happy to import people for cheap labour, to hell with social consequences.
He is an ethno-nationalist, not a white supremacist. His belief is peoples of the world should largely stay in their homelands; not that whites should rule/exterminate everyone.
The guy is an accelerationist; he wants to stoke as many divisions in society as possible in order to bring about civil strife/war. If you're going to ascribe narratives then at least get it right.
Facts matter, he deserves to be damned for his actions but frothing and screaming and using his terrorist attack to go after your own perceived political opponents is exactly what he wanted. After Islamic terrorism I often see people looking for other motivations other than their religion; in this case we have this guy's motivations spelled out for us but too many people are choosing ignorance and hatred; finally they got their white, non Muslim terrorist to crow about and to hell with the facts. |
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PyreneesPie
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | I wish we merged with NZ and Jacinda was our PM. |
Absolutely!! |
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PyreneesPie
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| stui magpie wrote: |
He wasn't extroverted. Neither was martin Bryant or Julian Knight. Beware the quiet withdrawn introvert with delusions of adequacy let alone grandeur. . |
More food for thought Stui.
IMHO, at the root of all forms of human violence is human social psychology and neuropsychology.
Perhaps if every child born was able to be nurtured properly - physically, socially and psychologically - there would be less need for them to go to extremes to "prove" themselves, to gain attention in some way, to feel they need to belong to some tribe/ideology or another. Utopia I know. Sigh.
On the other hand, I also believe that a very small percentage of people are simply wired incorrectly at birth and there's not much that can be done to prevent them from becoming f*&*ing ar**holes. |
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Wokko
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: |
He wasn't extroverted. Neither was martin Bryant or Julian Knight. Beware the quiet withdrawn introvert with delusions of adequacy let alone grandeur. . |
More food for thought Stui.
IMHO, at the root of all forms of human violence is human social psychology and neuropsychology.
Perhaps if every child born was able to be nurtured properly - physically, socially and psychologically - there would be less need for them to go to extremes to "prove" themselves, to gain attention in some way, to feel they need to belong to some tribe/ideology or another. Utopia I know. Sigh.
On the other hand, I also believe that a very small percentage of people are simply wired incorrectly at birth and there's not much that can be done to prevent them from becoming f*&*ing ar**holes. |
There has to be some degree of psychopathy too I'd think. Even in war most people will hesitate (training has done a lot to mitigate this in the military, but it still happens) but this guy point blank shot a woman in the street (like the French terrorists shooting the policeman on the ground). |
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stui magpie
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Not just the woman, he also after reloading, walked calmly around the building killing anyone he found still alive with a head shot.
There's definitely some messed up wiring in there.
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Pies4shaw
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| Really? I thought this was normal human behaviour. |
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stui magpie
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Only if the people being shot were carlton supporters.
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stui magpie
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: |
He wasn't extroverted. Neither was martin Bryant or Julian Knight. Beware the quiet withdrawn introvert with delusions of adequacy let alone grandeur. . |
More food for thought Stui.
IMHO, at the root of all forms of human violence is human social psychology and neuropsychology.
Perhaps if every child born was able to be nurtured properly - physically, socially and psychologically - there would be less need for them to go to extremes to "prove" themselves, to gain attention in some way, to feel they need to belong to some tribe/ideology or another. Utopia I know. Sigh.
On the other hand, I also believe that a very small percentage of people are simply wired incorrectly at birth and there's not much that can be done to prevent them from becoming f*&*ing ar**holes. |
I tend to agree with that in general.
Nurturing plays a part no doubt, as does the environment around you, but you can get people born and growing up amid death, violence and destruction who turn out good people and you can get people bought up in a stable, nurturing environment who go on to become mass murderers.
Funny critters, people.
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Pies4shaw
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