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stui magpie
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Say something bad about Islam and you get leapt on like Egg Boi but anti semetic stuff, particularly when it comes from a Muslim, slides straight through to the keeper. Dare to call it out, like Chelsea Clinton did, you get branded Islamaphobic and a hate speech peddler. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
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pietillidie
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The three kinds to which the interviewee refers are in fact three sociological variations common to most groups. In any Christian denomination, for example, you get literalists (i.e., fundamentalists), spirituals (i.e., those who don't hold to fundamentalist boundaries, but find meaning in received practices and the religion as is), and modernisers (i.e., liberals).
To varying extents, these sub-groups can be found in model train clubs and beer tasting societies at one end of the scale, and political parties, cultures and nations at the other.
For the literalist who hangs his hat on dubious certainties such as original documents, original rights, distinctive in-group marks, purity of membership, and punishment and reward, the mortal enemy who must be eliminated is always and ever the modernist. The successful existence of the modernist is a dire threat because it proves that the fundamentalist fear mongering is false, and challenges the false certainties.
Needless to say, the hatred of modernisers and their success is an old theme, but one worth reflecting on. It offers a potential explanation why those of few means might vote away their own healthcare or choose to decrease their own protections; the price of punishing the moderniser is always one worth paying. _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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stui magpie
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Yeah, slightly different context here. The Islamic literalist's are a short step removed from the extremeists which give birth to ISIS and al qaeda and if present history is any guide, the literalists are winning.
Islamic societies are tracking more toward literalism and fundamentalism than modernism. Just look at the evidence. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
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A guy charged with posting on social media supporting the Christchurch massacre, police found a loaded unlicensed fire arm and a couple of flick knives in his house, released on bail on the condition he doesn't access the internet.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-02/alleged-christchurch-supporter-fails-to-overturn-internet-ban/10963092
How the **** do you enforce that?
Yes, Police could monitor his known social media profiles to see if he posts anything, but it would be easy to create new ones.
If he has internet at home, they could monitor it or order it turned off and they could probably track his mobile internet use on his phone, but getting a pre paid sim card is piss easy.
So, I repeat, how do you really enforce that and, if it's not enforceable, why order it?
Watching Netflix requires accessing the internet, so does internet banking, online betting, the Centrelink App, etc. Wouldn't it be smarter to be more specific like ordering him to not post anything regarding the Christchurch Massacre or Islam in general, give him rope and monitor his and his friends social media accounts?
I don't have any sympathy for this tool if he actually wrote things supporting the massacre of innocent people, but breaching bail because the missus put on Netflix and you watched it is a bit rough. If he's that big of a threat, just don't give him bail. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko
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Why the hell would you post that stuff if you have an unregistered firearm? It was pretty common knowledge that police and intelligence services were coming down hard on anything that looked like someone who was going to copycat this guy so why would you red flag yourself? Dude was either already on a watchlist or someone dobbed him in, either way despite the obvious issue of over surveillance and questionable policing this guy is a moron. |
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stui magpie
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Him being a moron is, I think, not up for debate. It's a given. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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This dickhead can quite easily pay a third party internet provider to run his website and forward emails in written form etc. But I doubt anyone will want to employ him anyway. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Yeah, that doesn't sit well with me either. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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K
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"And Danish journalist Claus Blok Thomsen, who ... covered the trial of Norwegian right-wing extremist *** ... said in March that there were dangers in censoring ***. He said media agreed to similar restrictions ..., which pleased many so-called experts but angered some of the families of victims.
"They said when we start to censor ourselves, we just make him into a martyr," Thomsen said. "We are not able to learn how mad this guy was, what his thinking was, until everything is out in the light." "
How is that a good argument? The people who might hope to "learn how mad this guy was" are not the general public. For the general public, it's at best just voyeurism. |
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stui magpie
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Guess I'm not taking my PC to NZ then, I downloaded a copy of it to get an insight into what motivated him to do this, and I suspect I wasn't the only one who did that.
Having a copy of Mien Kamph doesn't make you a Nazi, having a copy of that manifesto doesn't make you a white supremacist.
I also have a copy of the Unabombers manifesto, but haven't blown anything up. recently. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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You have the manifesto and the bush shack so you're on your way. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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stui magpie
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I also have an attic in the bush shack. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/brisbane-mosque-vandalised-with-christchurch-references/11501684
Among the symbols plastered on the exterior walls was a Nazi swastika and the words "St Tarrant" and "Remove Kebabs".
Holland Park mosque president, Ali Kadri, said he was devastated but not surprised by the attack.
"Obviously St Tarrant is a reference to Brenton Tarrant, the terrorist who killed people in Christchurch," Mr Kadri said.
"And 'Remove Kebabs' was written on his gun when he was shooting people at the mosques." |
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