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swoop42 Virgo

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:42 pm
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Gotta wonder about the wisdom of publishing his name/photo in the press. Maybe at least wait until he’s been charged?

If it turns out it’s not him, who’s going to pick up the pieces when he gets out of custody to find hundreds upon hundreds of death threats?


If he's innocent then why would anyone wish harm upon him on release?

It would seem his life was in downward spiral and not surprisingly he was born into disadvantage.

I can't help but feel sorry for anyone who doesn't get to receive what should be the basic comfort of childhood which is the loving support of a parent.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/aspiring-rapper-codey-herrmann-arrested-over-death-of-israeli-student-20190118-p50sak.html

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Lets just see if he gets charged, then found guilty.

I'm amazed in one way, yet mostly dissapointed at some of the vile crap posted on his facebook page. When did we go from the presumption of innocence to the assumption of guilt?

If he's found guilty i hope he pays for it big time, but even then I think there may be an uncomfortable back story

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Yep some of us cop cnuts for a parent but we still manage to stop short if raping and killing someone. Pity he didn’t find a solid object I. That traffic, the poor girl would still be alive. Everyone has a backstory no sympathy put him in gen pop, May he rot in hell slowly
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A shitload of people are born into disadvantage.

Most of those people don't commit heinous crimes either.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:56 pm
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A shitload of people are born into disadvantage.

Most of those people don't commit heinous crimes either.


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A shitload of people are born into disadvantage.

Most of those people don't commit heinous crimes either.


Prisons are predominantly filled with people born into disadvantage who commit a whole range of crimes.

What do your parents do for a living?

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Yep some of us cop cnuts for a parent but we still manage to stop short if raping and killing someone. Pity he didn’t find a solid object I. That traffic, the poor girl would still be alive. Everyone has a backstory no sympathy put him in gen pop, May he rot in hell slowly


So your mother was as bad as your father?

If not then your one good parent up on this young man.

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stui magpie wrote:
Lets just see if he gets charged, then found guilty.

I'm amazed in one way, yet mostly dissapointed at some of the vile crap posted on his facebook page. When did we go from the presumption of innocence to the assumption of guilt?

If he's found guilty i hope he pays for it big time, but even then I think there may be an uncomfortable back story


The people making racist and/or vitriol filled comments are nearly as offensive and alarming as the crime they're commenting on.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:47 am
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David wrote:
Gotta wonder about the wisdom of publishing his name/photo in the press. Maybe at least wait until he’s been charged?

If it turns out it’s not him, who’s going to pick up the pieces when he gets out of custody to find hundreds upon hundreds of death threats?


If he's innocent then why would anyone wish harm upon him on release?


You don’t think at least a small proportion of those numbats on Facebook will believe he’s guilty regardless? I’ve already seen stuff by right-wingers saying that, because he’s Aboriginal, there’ll be a conspiracy from “the left” to find him innocent and release him. And then there’s the people who’ll tune out of the news cycle and never find out that someone else was responsible (if that were to turn out to be the case). All it takes is for a handful of them to recognise him in public days, months, years down the track for his life to become a living nightmare.

Of course, I have no reason to assume that this guy is innocent. But I do suspect that, if this policy of publishing the details of the first person arrested is the norm, then one day an innocent person will be the subject of this two minutes hate, and it’s not going to be enough for the newspapers and police to be, like, “oops” after the fact. It’s not like it’s the end of the world if we have to wait a few days to get all the goss on who the killer was.

(Case in point from the UK just a few weeks ago. Much less serious crime, but these two were arrested and released 24 hours later, and the tabloids still put their names and faces on the front page. Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a social media hate pile-on in this case too: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/23/press-christmas-drone-suspects-gatwick-media)

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swoop42 Virgo

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 am
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I'm surprised he's been named also as it isn't the norm prior to the person being officially charged once in custody so you have to wonder what the motivations are of the police and media in doing it this time.

The UK example is a good one of why the media and the general public shouldn't rush to judgement and just like that case if he is indeed innocent then he should be entitled to substantial compensation.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:33 am
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In a relatively short space of time the media went from a partially blacked out photo, to a full photo, then video, then naming him.

Names shouldn't be released at least until charges are made, not just on arrest.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:14 am
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think positive wrote:
Yep some of us cop cnuts for a parent but we still manage to stop short if raping and killing someone. Pity he didn’t find a solid object I. That traffic, the poor girl would still be alive. Everyone has a backstory no sympathy put him in gen pop, May he rot in hell slowly


So your mother was as bad as your father?

If not then your one good parent up on this young man.


Lucky me, not lucky me that my behaviour doesn’t come close to half as bad.
An excuse to do bad, or a reason to do better? Choices. I just read an autobiography about a boy who’s father died and his mother encouraged his older half brothers to rape and abuse him, and his step father, and then sold him into porn. He is not a serial rapist or killer now.

I one hundred percent agree his name and photo should not be released until he is charged at least, but it has been. Must be very compelling evidence.

As for the comments being nearly as bad as the crime committed, WTAF! People are outraged and vent. Just think, if that poor girl wasn’t raped and killed, no comments to make.

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Maybe it's just me but I find it a lot easier to hate the predatory piece of crap that killed Jill Meagher than a messed up kid, despite the end result being the same in that an innocent young woman has been violated then killed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:54 am
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Jill Meagher than a messed up kid despite the end result being the same in that an innocent young woman was violated then killed was killed?
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Maybe it's just me but I find it a lot easier to hate the predatory piece of crap that killed Jill Meagher than a messed up kid, despite the end result being the same in that an innocent young woman has been violated then killed.

age is just a number, maybe the first killer was once a messed up kid too. both of these men knew what they did was wrong. the kid tossed his gear and ran away. he knew what he did was wrong. there was nothing in what happened that was about survival for him.

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