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stui magpie 

Oh the Premiership's a cakewalk


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:24 pm
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I'd never heard of this clown before, wouldn't know him if he did a hand stand in my breakfast cereal.

So what did he actually do?

Apparently staged an attack on himself to generate publicity for himself to get a pay rise, and was charged with making a false report to Police. In Chicago that basically means a probation period and small fine.

So, rather than give this tool more oxygen and chew up Police time and resources running a prosecution, they accepted him forfeiting the $10k bail (when the usual fine is a lot less) and ticked off the 2 days community service.

Pragmatic outcome, nothing to see here, the clown shat in his own nest as far as the people who pay his bills will be reasonably sure of what he did, thanks to the prosecutors statement.

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:55 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
I'd never heard of this clown before, wouldn't know him if he did a hand stand in my breakfast cereal.


Laughing Have to use that one day. Otherwise, agree with your post 100%.

For those trying to keep up, heaps more Democrats have nominated since my OP (Biden’s the only one from that list who’s yet to formally declare his candidacy, though most expect he will any time soon). Here are a few more of them:

Amy Klobuchar: Another relatively centrist Senator who made her name during the Kavanagh hearings. Has had an uphill battle pretty much since day one, with numerous allegations of bullying of staff.

Pete Buttigieg: A relative nobody – some Indiana mayor – who’s attracted a lot of attention for his relative youth + being the only openly gay candidate in the race. Seems to be quickly amassing a fanbase and beating some of his much higher-profile opponents in the polls.

Andrew Yang: Another random who’s trying to crowdsource a candidacy – this guy’s more the tech candidate who’s all about universal basic income. Has developed an (ironic?) following among alt-right/light types on 4Chan for some inexplicable reason – all the Pepe the Frog avatars have Andrew Yang hats now.

John Hickenlooper: Former Colorado governor. With so few people knowing who he is, and so many “diverse” candidates in the race – reflectng a real taste among the Democrat voter base for a 2020 candidate who isn’t an old straight white man from the Dem establishment – you’d have to wonder what his gameplan is. He doesn’t have Biden’s name recognition or Sanders’ radicalism, and he doesn’t seem to stand for anything groundbreaking from what I can tell. Anyway, he’s managed to well and truly set himself apart from the pack by telling a town-hall audience this frankly jaw-dropping story about how he saw Deep Throat at the cinema with his mother.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/john-hickenlooper-x-rated-movie/index.html

Jay Inslee: Another old white male governor (this time of Washington). Focusing his campaign on climate change, apparently.

Mike Gravel: If Sanders and Biden are too young for you, check this 88-year-old guy out! Former Libertarian Party candidate; unlikely to be taken seriously by anyone.

John Delaney, Wayne Messam, Marianne Williamson: See Stui’s quote above...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:40 pm
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Biden's been #metoo'd before he even announced.

https://www.chicksonright.com/opinion/2019/03/31/2020-candidates-turn-on-creepy-joe-biden-in-the-face-of-sexual-harassment-allegations/

There's a lot more where that came from too apparently Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:50 pm
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It’s on the very minor end of sexual harassment (if even that), but obviously in the obsessive US media environment it’s going to be discussed endlessly and harm his reputation considerably. While that’s good in a narrow, purely tactical sense – Biden is one of the biggest threats to a progressive Democratic candidacy – I do think people over in America need to ask themselves if they really want such trivialities determining the presidency.

On those grounds, perhaps it’s for the best if Biden lets this shitstorm happen and just rides it out. 18 months is a long, long time, and people are going to get sick of talking about this at some point (provided more damaging revelations don’t emerge).

Here are some much better reasons why Democrats shouldn't vote for him in the primaries:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-isnt-the-answer-for-president-in-2020.html

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He wrote the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act signed by Bill Clinton, which helped strengthen and codify what has become the United States’ carceral state, and was an enthusiastic supporter of Clinton’s punishing welfare-reform policy. Biden was one of his party’s transmitters of what Bouie has called “sensitivity to the fears and anxieties of his white constituents.”

But even those constituents — those guys in diners, worried about jobs and mounting debt — haven’t always been served by him. Biden, the senator from Delaware, where many credit card companies and banks are incorporated, has long advocated on behalf of those financial entities. This is one of the ironies of his role as blue-collar Everyman; that guy is regularly screwed by the very companies Biden represents. As beneficiary of enormous campaign donations from his home state’s financial behemoth MBNA, in 1999 Biden voted to repeal Glass-Steagall legislation that, since 1933, had separated commercial and investment banking, paving the way for the financial crisis. Biden was one of a handful of Democrats to oppose a measure that would have required credit card companies to warn consumers of the risks of only paying the minimum due on their credit card bills and worked against legislation that would have increased protections for those whose debts mounted thanks to medical bills and for those in the military.

In the mid-2000s, he was a major Democratic supporter of a bill that made it harder for individuals, many of them struggling with enormous credit card debt, to declare bankruptcy. In a 2002 negotiation over the bill, Democrats added an amendment that targeted anti-abortion protesters, a move that both sweetened it for Democrats and made it less palatable to Republicans. (In a livid letter to the New York Times, calling the bankruptcy bill “unconscionable” and noting that it particularly imperiled female-headed households and used abortion as a strategic wedge, Elizabeth Warren, then a Harvard Law professor and advocate for consumer reforms, wondered whether “politicians like Mr. Biden … believe they can give credit-card companies the right to elbow out women and children so long as they rally behind an issue like abortion? The message is unmistakable: on an economic issue that attracts millions of dollars of industry support, women have no real political importance.”)

Then, of course, there was his stewardship of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which hit its infamous nadir with the 1991 Supreme Court confirmation hearings of Clarence Thomas. Biden was reluctant even to let Anita Hill testify as to how Thomas had repeatedly sexually harassed her, since — as he would explain afterward — he had given his word to a Republican colleague, in the Senate gym, that he’d make sure Thomas’s confirmation was speedy. When Hill did testify, and was treated with disrespect and disregard by leering and patronizing Republicans on the committee, Biden did not defend her or rebuke them; he permitted her ill treatment. Perhaps most crucially, he declined to call any of the three women — Rose Jourdain, Angela Wright, and Sukari Hardnett — who were willing to testify about their own experiences of Thomas’s inappropriate behavior, and thereby corroborate Hill’s claims.

In talking to the Washington Post the year after those hearings, Biden would offer up a pretty good description of the forces that have shaped the political universe, and his role in it, through his decades in political life. “That last hearing was not about Clarence Thomas, it was not about Anita Hill,” he told E.J. Dionne. “It was about a massive power struggle going on in this country, a power struggle between women and men, and a power struggle between minorities and the majority, and it’s a reflection of the schizophrenic personality of the American public now with regard to both those issues, feminism and race.”

Biden is correct that these have been the major power struggles. What he seems less willing to admit is that over and over again, he has been on the wrong side of them.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:50 pm
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There's a reason he's called Creepy Uncle Joe David Laughing
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Oh the Premiership's a cakewalk


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:05 pm
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^

Maybe he could visit Trump's tailor and get some of them Teflon suits.

All the mud thrown at Trump didn't stop him.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:49 am
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ole Joe is an equal opportunity groper Smile


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:52 am
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In Biden’s defence, the fact he does this stuff to men too suggests that he really doesn’t intend any of this as sexual. And maybe it’s something to be mourned that non-sexual affectionate physical contact is increasingly being seen as creepy. Maybe a less repressed and more openly physically affectionate society – where every form of contact doesn’t require a signed consent form – wouldn’t be such a bad thing?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:28 am
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^
er..no; people have personal space and this guy invades it with monotonous regularity.

I personally cant stand touchy feely people, deciding its ok if they start feeling you up; it just makes people uncomfortable.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:33 am
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No pictures or video of him sniffing men's hair.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:41 am
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^ Fair point if so. Still, I think there’s something to what this Fox News (!) guy is saying.

https://youtu.be/M1NLZje8PLk

Where he gets this wrong is that it’s not the left that’s pushing this (even if they might be more generally inclined than the right to support the principle of consent in physical contact). Pelosi’s not a leftist, she’s a corporate centrist – and that’s the precise point. This kind of repression comes primarily from the litigation-averse, robotic HR culture that she represents.

There’s nothing truly ideological about that, apart from that system’s belief that a) nothing must get in the way of profits and b) any harm to public reputation (which itself comes with a $ cost) must be avoided at all costs. I’m not saying that’s always a bad thing – if it takes fear of disciplinary proceedings to prevent, say, workplace sexual harassment, then we should support it – but it is important to understand that this mentality is primarily motivated by fear and risk aversion. And I think Carlson has a point there: do we really want to live in such a society?

Pi, I respect that you and a lot of people feel that way. But where does that discomfort come from? Is it conceivable that it’s a product of being raised (as many of us are) in a repressed, physically distant culture? Your desires should still be respected regardless, but I don’t think it’d hurt to look at the bigger picture and investigate whether our social norms are hurting us.

Otherwise, there is something to be said for communication here. If you don’t like something someone does and they don’t mean any harm by it, then you should feel safe to say “please stop that” (or express it accordingly with body language). I know that you could say the same for Biden, but I suspect that a lot of people (perhaps the vast majority) had no problem whatsoever with him putting his hands on their shoulders or kissing them on the head – but if he’d asked beforehand, the irony is that that might have made them genuinely uncomfortable. Obviously, there’s some onus on the person who goes in for physical contact to be conscious of the other person’s body language and do their best to make sure that they’re not doing anything to make them feel uncomfortable, but I do think that there’s something important about spontaneity to human contact.

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^ This was started by Lucy Flores who is and was firmly in the Bernie camp. She is as left as they come. Make no mistake, the attack on Joe is from the "progressives"

He hasnt even nominated and yet he is the current leader for the Dem nomination in the polls. The left and far left of the party cannot allow this. He is an old white male and for this reason alone hes unacceptable.

I dont think much of Biden, never have. This is all crap even though I like the irony in it all, including who his defenders are and their recent track record pointing the finger at others.

That said, It is amazing what information on the US is and is not drip fed into Australia.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:06 pm
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Joe needs to grab em by the pussy to have a hope of becoming President.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:10 pm
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^ This was started by Lucy Flores who is and was firmly in the Bernie camp. She is as left as they come. Make no mistake, the attack on Joe is from the "progressives"

He hasnt even nominated and yet he is the current leader for the Dem nomination in the polls. The left and far left of the party cannot allow this. He is an old white male and for this reason alone hes unacceptable.

I dont think much of Biden, never have. This is all crap even though I like the irony in it all, including who his defenders are and their recent track record pointing the finger at others.

That said, It is amazing what information on the US is and is not drip fed into Australia.


I share your suspicion about Flores’ motivations, though you must know that the right have been pushing this "creepy Biden" angle more than anyone.

And I should add that I have absolutely no time for Biden whatsoever and am hoping he crashes and burns in the race. I’m not even certain that he ought to be defended on this; perhaps he is a creep with a Trump/Clinton-level understanding of consent. But watch the video above; I think there’s a lot to what Carlson says about the broader issue of where we’re going with this stuff.

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Sorry, dont get me wrong your absolutely right.
This has been laughed at and joked about by the right for a long time. an roundly ignored by the media. It has NEVER been taken seriously by anyone serious though.

Whats happening now is the progressive left are weaponizing it for a potential primary with the support of the media. Its all orchestrated.
Biden is just the first and thats because he is popular still with Obama supporters.

An interesting example is Warren. She has seen the writing on the wall hence her recent socialist agenda that seemingly came from nowhere.

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