US election 2020

[Wokko]

Sanders is a socialist, so yeah certainly stupid enough. He's also Jewish so not sure how that plays but he's not your standard WASP.

Biden is beyond stupid, he's gone deep into mentally unfit territory.

[Pies4shaw]

Kamala Harris has pulled out.

[pietillidie]

The US won't recover if it doesn't genuinely arrest its decline. Its current economic war against the world is only getting muted coverage because of fear that Captain Bone Spurs will take everyone over a cliff like his Republican predecessor.

His zero sumism is setting up monstrous conflict nationally and internationally; you can be a victim or a conqueror, but you can't be sane.

It can only be a Warren or a Sanders with a Buttigieg for centrist appeal.

[David]

[Woods]

Steady on. Bit early to call this race. Dems haven't even turned into the home straight yet. A lot to play out as the field jockey for position. Eg. Michelle Obama is only waiting for Hillary's declaration that she won't run and she will nominate (the black Obama wants his dynasty created where the white Clinton failed - but beyond that, don't discount the sheer hatred between these two women).

[Wokko]

Michelle Obama has been pretty adamant she wont run. No weaselly answers, just outright "NO".

Hillary running would be a joke.

[Woods]

^
Michelle Obama - faced with lack lustre Dem candidates and the consequent looming shadow of a Trump second term - will reluctantly, oh so reluctantly, announce her nomination, not for herself mind you, but for the sake of her country. CNN et al will go bonkers with it hailing it as a selfless act of great personal sacrifice. And Barack will, well, barrack for her too.

Mind you, this is also Hillary's PR agenda if she ever nominates. "i'm doing it for my country". But both are wanting to avoid going head-to-head against each other in an ex-Presidents' wives clash that could quickly degenerate into a nasty back/white spat (with good sprinkling of old fashioned female bitchiness thrown in).

[David]

[Woods]

And meanwhile in Tomorrow Land...

Devin Nunes sues CNN for $435M over ‘false and defamatory’ Ukraine story

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., sued CNN for defamation on Tuesday, accusing the cable network of publishing a “demonstrably false hit piece” about him amid his high-profile opposition to the Trump impeachment inquiry.

The 47-page lawsuit, filed in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, accuses the liberal network of publishing “numerous egregiously false and defamatory” statements about Nunes on Nov. 22, 2019 when journalist Vicky Ward reported claims that Nunes met with Ukranian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in Vienna in 2018 to dig "up dirt" on Hunter and Joe Biden.

Nunes, who has been leading GOP opposition to the House Democratic impeachment inquiry in the House Intelligence Committee, says he “did not go to Vienna or anywhere else in Austria in 2018” and “has never met” Shokin.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devin-nunes-sues-cnn

[Woods]

And if anyone is interested in a long-form response by Dem candidate Tulsi Gabbard to the accusation by Hillary Clinton that she is actually a Russian intelligence asset (I'm not making this shit up), then check out this interview she did on Joe Rogan last week.

'Tulsi Gabbard on Being Called a "Russian Asset" by Hillary Clinton': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behsy2owilI

Its 13 mins long but jump forward to the 6:15 min mark to where she is asked for her response to Hillary's accusation. But watch the earlier part too if you have time - quite funny in parts.

And if you are up for it, here's a link to the whole 2+ hours interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYud9re7-Q

Is there any other Dem candidate who exposes themselves to hours of media scrutiny and the dangers that lie within? She is an outstanding media performer is Tulsi. Knows when to speak - knows when to shut up. If the Dems were not owned and operated by the Deep State they would see her as the best shot the party has at the 2020 election).

[Pies4shaw]

[Wokko]

Because being black was the only thing that empty suit Obama had going for him and it was pushed and mentioned every moment possible by the gushing press and would be again if Michelle ran.

[Woods]

Pies4shaw -race plays a part a central and defining role in US politics. Candidates ignore it at their peril.

[Pies4shaw]

Your conception of race is the interesting thing to me, though. Obama is "black Obama" but we know that neither the Kennedys nor the Bushs would ever be designated as "white" Kennedy or Bush. Curious, really.

[Woods]