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| Who do you hope wins the US Election? |
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39% |
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39% |
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21% |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Jezza 
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David 
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-embarrassing-paranoid
| Quote: | Hillary Clinton’s attacks on Tulsi Gabbard are embarrassing and paranoid
Nathan Robinson
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While hosts of The View backed up Clinton, calling Gabbard a “useful idiot”, others such as the Vermont senator Bernie Sanders and South Bend’s mayor, Pete Buttigieg, suggested that Clinton ought to have had some evidence before implying something so outrageous about a Democratic elected official.
But it was typical Clinton. Paranoia about Russian influence has been ubiquitous among the Clinton set since 2016, in part because it helps to explain how the loss to Donald Trump wasn’t really Clinton’s fault. Liberals in the media like Rachel Maddow openly admit to having an obsession with Russia, and end up seeing the hands of Vladimir Putin on everything. Clinton herself has had trouble coming to terms with her loss. Even though accounts from inside the campaign confirm that Clinton barely knew why she was running for president, couldn’t craft any kind of message, and made laughably overconfident decisions about where to campaign, her campaign memoir was less a mea culpa than a j’accuse. It pointed fingers at Sanders and James Comey, and ended up sounding a lot like the Onion’s parody title: We All Made Mistakes But You Made Most Of Them.
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Tulsi Gabbard is completely right about what Clinton represents. Clinton was the Democratic party at its absolute worst: pro-war, pro-Wall Street, self-enriching, inept, devoid of any transformative vision and contemptuous of ordinary people. It’s very clear that Sanders would have been the smart choice in 2016, and Gabbard was one of the few Democratic officials to recognize that at the time and endorse him. Actually, that was courageous of her – most Democratic officials, even those whose politics should have aligned them more closely with Sanders than Clinton, were too timid to buck the establishment and risk their career by potentially getting on the wrong side of an incoming Clinton administration.
That’s not to say that Gabbard herself should be the future of the Democratic party. Far from it: while Gabbard has made a big deal of her anti-war stance, she has embraced the vicious Indian nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, and been far more hawkish and softer on torture than she would like progressive voters to believe. Her willingness to criticize the “rot” in her own party may make Gabbard a refreshing presence on the debate stage, but no serious leftist can support someone who spent the Obama years echoing Republican talking points about “radical Islam”. She’s still no “useful idiot”, and even with her flaws she is preferable to truly intolerable candidates like Buttigieg and Joe Biden. If we were (God forbid) somehow faced with the choice between Tulsi Gabbard and Amy Klobuchar, the country would be far better off in Gabbard’s hands.
Even though Gabbard may be a flawed messenger, the message itself is correct: we no longer need to hear what Hillary Clinton thinks about anything. Her kind of politics is, thankfully, a relic of history, and we have moved on. It’s sad that instead of doing something useful with her post-political career, Clinton has decided to lob ludicrous, borderline defamatory, accusations at younger Democratic women who were less wrong than Clinton was about dozens of issues. Fortunately, hardly anybody is listening any more. |
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There is an event going on that ties the POTUS to selling out his country to the Russians and Turkish, behaviour that would have anyone else locked up at the mere suggestion of such treasonous behaviour and all you people can say is
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Some of you seem to have serious unresolved Oedipal complexes! |
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David
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More like an Electra complex in this case. 
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thesoretoothsayer
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| 3.14159 wrote: | | There is an event going on that ties the POTUS to selling out his country to the Russians and Turkish, behaviour that would have anyone else locked up at the mere suggestion of such treasonous behaviour |
Um, no.
You usually need some kind of proof to lock someone up. You know, evidence and shit like that.
Maybe you can hire Robert Mueller to investigate? |
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3.14159
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | | 3.14159 wrote: | | There is an event going on that ties the POTUS to selling out his country to the Russians and Turkish, behaviour that would have anyone else locked up at the mere suggestion of such treasonous behaviour |
Um, no.
You usually need some kind of proof to lock someone up. You know, evidence and shit like that.
Maybe you can hire Robert Mueller to investigate? |
The finer points of Law never stopped Big Donny from crying for incarceration every chance he got! Interesting too that him trying something similar with the Bidens is likely to bring his whole shooting match crumbling down around his ears!
The impeachment inquiry is trying to find if indeed any Laws were broken when he invited numerous countries (us included) to interfere in the 202.0 Despite continued obstruction from Trump and Co who can't argue the facts so they argue and attempt to derail/OBSTRUCT the process!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/24/trump-impeachment-inquiry-republicans-tactics
Interesting to hear Drumpf bleat that he is being "lynched" after stateing just 2 weeks ago that "Whistle-blowers" should shot or hung (like they were in the good Oil Days)!
Looks like the GOP rats are getting ready to jump ship in time to find a make-shift Canditate before the 2020 election.... which is likely to reduce Republican numbers to an emaciated Rump!
https://theweek.com/speedreads/874037/bernie-sanders-tells-jimmy-kimmel-gop-getting-nervous-about-trump-bill-murray-just-wants-have-fun |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Whilst I like Bernie, I'm not sure he's the person to give an unbiased, dispassionate assessment of the claims against Trump. |
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Woods 
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Stand by for the release of the Horowitz and Durham reports.
The impeachment inquiry is the last legal opportunity for the ‘Deep State’ to try and bring Trump down before Barr uses the Horowitz /Durham findings to lay charges on Clinton and many others (both Dem and Rep - because to see this battle in terms of left-right party politics is to miss the point entirely)
Won’t be long now. So start thinking ahead of the story. |
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3.14159
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | ^
Whilst I like Bernie, I'm not sure he's the person to give an unbiased, dispassionate assessment of the claims against Trump. |
if you want a more (or less) impeachable source of information you could ask one of Trumps most fervent supporters
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/support-for-impeachment-reaches-new-high
btw. Trump joins Johnson, Nixon and Clinton as Presidents that have faced impeachment and in each of those cases the the Presidents Party has suffered defeats at the hands of sceptical voters. When given a chance to vote on whether or not a President can almost literally rip up the "phony*" US Constitution so he can get foriegn Governments to fabricate Evidence and Criminal charges to help him win a US Election the result is a pretty much lay down Mazaire. Here's how THE Most Jerrymanded District in the US voted just recently. The GOP aren't total idiots and are well aware the writing is almost on the WALL https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymandering-supreme-court-us-election-north-carolina |
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Wokko 
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| After Clinton's impeachment he was reelected and the Democrats gained seats in the house. No point in giving you facts though, your posts read like a DNC press release. |
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Jezza
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| Wokko wrote: | | After Clinton's impeachment he was reelected and the Democrats gained seats in the house. No point in giving you facts though, your posts read like a DNC press release. |
Clinton was impeached in his second term, but the Democrats made gains in the 1998 mid term elections largely due to the backlash against the Republicans for starting the impeachment process against Clinton earlier in the year.
The Republicans lost seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate which was the first time a non-Presidential party made no congressional gains since 1934.
After his acquittal, Clinton enjoyed high support from the voting public in the final two years of his presidency.
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Wokko
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Must've been thinking of the turnaround in approval, I remembered the elections going the Democrats way after the impeachment though.
After Nixon, Ford didn't do too badly either and after 1 term of Carter Reagan was voted in by a crazy margin. |
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Jezza
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Skids 
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Geez the Trump haters must be grinding their teeth and losing sleep, the good news for the US jobs and economy just keeps on keeping on... no world war 3.... their predictions about the Trump presidency have been as accurate as Al Gores on climate change 
Dow and S&P 500 are guaranteed to rise at least another 5% in the next 2 months — if this 70-year-old pattern holds
Specifically, when the Dow is up by at least 15% for the calendar year through the end of October, the index boasts an average return of 5.55% over the next two-month period, with an average year-to-date return of 27.17%. The Dow finished October up 15.94%.
A surprisingly-strong jobs report emboldened Dow bulls, who had already prepared to shrug off any dismal statistics as outliers caused by the prolonged General Motors strike.
However, those excuses turned out not to be necessary, because nonfarm payrolls jumped by 128,000 anyway, easily smashing the Dow Jones economist estimate of 75,000
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-is-guaranteed-to-rise-at-least-another-5-in-the-next-2-months-if-this-70-year-old-trend-holds-2019-10-31
But hey, they've still got their little impeachment fantasy to salivate over... for now 
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