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pietillidie 



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:23 pm
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David wrote:
Johnson’s Ireland compromise sounds decent – and fair’s fair, it wasn’t exactly an easy problem to resolve – but the rest is a worry.

Even that's misplaced praise, though. May's unratified WA also 'resolved' the problem over a year ago, as did subsequent amendments, only for the dim who opposed those deals on the basis of the backstop to realise in the last five minutes that there can never be a customs border on the island of Ireland. Furthermore, this compromise actually has to pass real votes, something one ought not be confident of given virtually everything said so far has been a PR stunt expected to fail.

And then there's the rest to which you refer. A WA per se has to pass regardless of this one provision: there's still the economic loss; regional security and stability; history of lies and misrepresentation; the original nonsensical farce of the advisory referendum question and process; the endless road of proper negotiations ahead; the obvious inability to maintain influence and leverage in the face of three far larger competitors (and more to overtake an isolated UK); the association of Brexit with crooks and shabby quick-buck opportunists; the threat to the NHS; the threat of Scottish independence and the collapse of the union; the disadvantage to those whose capital is sensibly aligned with an integrated EU and has been for a long time now; the loss of opportunity for the young and mobile of mind who are oriented towards integration; the disgust of the productive centres in the face of the Little England's irrational nose cutting; the growing recognition of self-inflicted chaos and loss for no gain by what was an already evenly-split electorate; the moving on to the heavens of the empire-educated elderly in the home counties and shires; the sloppiness, deceit, incompetence and increasingly exposed corruption of Johnson; and more.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:16 am
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Everyone here is already a loser where this unrivalled exercise in self destruction is concerned, and will soon lose far more than the three years of economic vandalism to date, even with a 'deal'.

the BBC wrote:
The EU's Donald Tusk said he would have "bet" on a deal 24 hours ago, but "doubts" had appeared on the UK side.

The PM is trying to get Tory Brexiteers and Democratic Unionists on board for his revised plan for Northern Ireland.

Likening talks to climbing Everest, Mr Johnson said the summit was "not far" but still surrounded by "cloud".

He is in a race against time to get a deal before Thursday's crucial EU council meeting.

The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said she understood the issues between the UK, EU and Ireland were "pretty much sorted", but it was still not clear whether the DUP were ready to sign up or not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50063022

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:13 am
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Boris and the EU agree on a deal. Described by Farage as the "Second worst deal in history".

No certainty that the DUP support it which would effectively scupper the deal before it hits parliament.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:22 am
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^Similarly hammered by Starmer. Not unexpected, but he is the only electable member of the Labour Party:

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:53 am
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If both hard brexiters and remainers are unhappy, maybe that makes it a good deal? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:17 pm
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Wokko wrote:
Boris and the EU agree on a deal. Described by Farage as the "Second worst deal in history".

No certainty that the DUP support it which would effectively scupper the deal before it hits parliament.


Is there no chance that Labor MPs would get it over the line regardless? I know Corbyn probably wants maximum chaos for Johnson, but he also doesn’t just want to look like a wrecker, particularly if it looks like (or can be effectively spun that) Johnson and co. are acting in good faith right now.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:32 pm
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Talk about a contemptuous PR stunt:

How much of Johnson's 'great new deal' is actually new?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/oct/18/how-much-johnson-great-new-deal-actually-new

And on part that matters beyond the PR stunt: "A notable removal was a section committing the EU and UK to 'endeavour' to conclude a new agreement by 31 December 2020." It will be lucky to be 2030.

Of course, major changes could be contained in a mere few pages, but that's not the case. As if anyone expected that feckless wrecker Johnson to put serious work into anything.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:21 am
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I only just noticed that UKIP have gone from one Richard Brain to another!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/ukip-attempts-to-suspend-leader-amid-fresh-power-struggle-within-party-richard-braine

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:26 am
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Serious policy doesn't need to be protectionist. Wherever one draws the line on tax havening, a lot of these companies ought to be precluded from government tenders:

https://demos.co.uk/project/value-added-how-better-government-procurement-can-build-a-fairer-britain/

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:39 pm
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pietillidie wrote:
I only just noticed that UKIP have gone from one Richard Brain to another!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/ukip-attempts-to-suspend-leader-amid-fresh-power-struggle-within-party-richard-braine


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:11 pm
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I'm honestly so out of the loop with this. Anyone know what the latest is? I'm presuming the Halloween exit is off?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:20 pm
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It falls into my DILLIGAF bucket now.

What I would find entertaining is if England descends further into chaos and economic ruin and is annexed by Ireland.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:34 pm
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Boris sent a letter to the EU that pretty much said "I've been made to send this, Parliament wants an extension but I don't" Then called various EU leaders saying he didn't want an extension.

Backroom deals with a couple of East European countries to veto an extension if necessary. EU probably wont even meet until the 28th.

They're barrelling towards No Deal on the 31st at this stage.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:25 pm
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The Guardian has provided a supposedly "useful" flow chart on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/21/brexit-johnson-to-push-for-deal-as-labour-woos-rebel-tories-eu-extension-live-news?page=with:block-5dad6afd8f08142786c4f794#block-5dad6afd8f08142786c4f794

All I can say is...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:58 pm
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Johnson’s Brexit bill finally passes parliament, though an extension to the 31 October leave date still seems likely:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-vote-boris-johnson-eu-parliament-commons-approve-a9166946.html

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