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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:29 pm
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ronrat wrote:
K wrote:
But do juice bars normally sell alcohol? If not, being alcohol-free is no problem.
(She is a party animal. The citizens of Brunei do not work. The work is done mainly by Indonesians. The only place you can get a drink is in the Embassies and several high class hotels. But why would anyone in Brunei go to a juice bar when the Indonesian maid can make it for them. The Expats in the oil industry all have maids as well. One look at the airport in Brunei was enough for me. I did not say any juice for sale but a coffee vendor. a prayer room and a money exchange. She would not last 10 minutes in Brunei).

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What do the Bangkok street juice bars sell?
Fruit juice. A litre carton of vegetable or fruit juice is on special for 56 baht at my nearby supermarket. . About 2.50. A bottle of water here is a fifth of what they charge in Australia. A beer is about 2 bucks. Who in their right mind would go into a bar and pay 4 times the amount for a juice of what is available outside.

K I suggest you travel and actually live for any length of time in these places. Because you might learn something.

Yep, rr, that may be a good suggestion. But for a timid traveller, Europe & N. America sound like they'd be 'easier', especially the English-speaking parts... Maybe Asia etc. are good price-wise, though...
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"Police officers who were directly responsible for managing Ms Gobbo have hired their own lawyers ... fearing, according to people close to the investigation, that force command could “throw them under the bus” in a bid to avoid responsibility for the scandal.

The move ... means the royal commission could hear two quite distinct stories from Victoria's police about who was responsible for recruiting and managing Gobbo ..., and who was to blame for the arrangement going off the rails.

The Age has also separately heard that Victoria Police has been refusing to hand over documents sought by the royal commission, despite pledges the force would cooperate fully with the inquiry.

Victoria Police are using the same justifications to refuse handing over documents as those that were overruled by successive courts, including the High Court, according to sources.

The impasse could see Victoria Police hauled before the Supreme Court or even subject to raids under the royal commission’s power to obtain search warrants. Failing to comply with a “notice to produce” is a criminal offence punishable by up to two years prison.
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Victoria Police has hired veteran Queensland barrister Saul Holt QC and solicitors Corrs Chambers Westgarth to represent it.

But a number of former members of the human source unit ... have hired retired County Court judge Geoffrey Chettle to represent them."


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-police-split-over-royal-commission-into-nicola-gobbo-20190308-p512u8.html


If the RC orders raids on police, who will carry them out?!?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:32 pm
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/lawyer-s-ex-loses-appeal-against-drug-trafficking-prison-sentence-20190320-p515qa.html

"... continues to be in a relationship with a jailed drug trafficker...

"Authorities have concerns for the applicant’s safety, arising not by virtue of the applicant’s own acts but because of concerns attaching to his partner, the former barrister, who still visits him," they said."



(Being in such a relationship is not illegal, though...)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:50 am
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There is a match-day stream of the hearings on the RCMPI website, here: https://livestream.com/accounts/4972777/events/8561828/player?width=854&height=481&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=feed&autoPlay=true&mute=false

Just in case that link doesn't work, you can probably also get to it here: https://www.rcmpi.vic.gov.au/

I understand that it's delayed by 15 minutes from live (presumably to make sure that evidence that is supposed to be confidential doesn't get accidentally broadcast without review). Anyway, this is free and it's a game Collingwood can't lose, so it might be of interest to some of you.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:52 am
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Pies4shaw wrote:
...it's a game Collingwood can't lose...

... unless they start name-dropping Pies players or Board members.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:54 am
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Has anyone been watching any of this? I watched a bit on Thursday. My main thought was that Counsel Assisting should have chosen his tie more carefully. Basically, a salmony-orange sort of affair with white and black diagonal pin-stripes really isn't the thing for the close-up shots. I think it may have been a Zegna number, although it could have been a knock-off picked up in Bali.

I'd be really interested in what others thought of his ties on other days.

Also, someone needs to send him the memo - lawyers only wear dark suits on camera.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:06 am
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Silvester:

"Gobbo was a barrister and a very good one. She was destined to make millions and likely to be offered a position as a judge if only she had listened to colleagues and mentors who told her she would get burned if she continued dancing with the devil.

Several magistrates, judges and senior colleagues took her aside in the early days to warn her that she was behaving unprofessionally by socialising with shady clients. Each time she would agree and each time refused to change.
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Perhaps her Sliding Doors moment was late in her final year, when she applied to be a judge’s associate. Perhaps if she had been selected, that may have been the finishing school she desperately needed to understand the ethical demands of her profession.

Instead she decided to avoid the established old school pecking order of the law - choosing to sneak down the emergency lane to get ahead. ‘‘I don’t know if she felt she was on the poor side of the Gobbo clan or felt a sense of entitlement because her uncle was a judge, but she was determined to make the big time in the shortest time possible, ’’a colleague says.
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According to one veteran criminal lawyer, some senior barristers used her as a junior ‘‘because she would do all the work’’. ‘‘She could master a thousand-page brief virtually overnight,’’ says one.
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In the first few days of the royal commission the counsel assisting, Chris Winneke, QC, has methodically examined police procedure around human sources and Gobbo’s early role in informing. In the process he has deliberately and subtly laid a series of land mines timed to explode later in the inquiry.
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Gobbo played a master game of deception, acting as a professional lawyer, a friend of gangsters and a police informer, until her world imploded. At one point she was ringing police on an hourly basis.

‘‘I firmly believe she had a nervous breakdown,’’ says a colleague, one of the few who still has sympathy for her."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/battle-of-the-blue-bloods-20190328-p518jj.html
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:22 am
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"I firmly believe she had a nervous breakdown"? What garbage. The facts appear to be that she was sharing houses (at least) with drug traffickers, shopping other people for crimes and, it seems, getting off lightly, even before she finished her law degree.

It's all a bit basic, really. The foundation requirement for being a barrister is that you act honestly and with integrity. She was, it appears, never able to do that and probably (if the Admissions Committee knew about what had apparently happened in 1995 - which they didn't, because the police seem to have ensured that she got off lightly) should never have been admitted to practice. Speculation about the possibility that she "might" have made judge at this late date (if she hadn't been so hopelessly incapable of discharging any of her basis obligations to her clients and the courts) is really quite pointless. (Thank your local deity that she didn't.) So might Jack the Ripper if he hadn't run around murdering people. There are actually limits to what people can get away with and still be acceptable participants in a profession that depends upon participant integrity.

There's a bit of a bright line there between doing the best you can for your client, by hook or by crook, within the ethical rules (and, frankly, the criminal law) by which one is bound, and just doing any old s^&* you feel like because you think the law doesn't apply to you.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:23 am
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Back to the real issue, what did people think of Chris' ties?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:01 am
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Another interesting question, I suppose, is about the acceptable basic powers of reason and inference required to be a policeman. Ashton is reported to have told the inquiry that in January 2019 "he didn’t know the true identity of 3838 and didn't know it was the same person he had registered". That's deeply scary stuff because even the amoebae in my pond down the back had received the memo by that stage.

\\https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/victoria/nicola-gobbo-may-have-had-intimate-relations-with-police-handler-20190329-p51922.html
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:03 am
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K, Chris is wearing a bright blue suit in the photo accompanying that article you've linked. Is that ever acceptable?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:12 am
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Had to scroll all the way down to find it.

My first impression was that the tie should not be the same colour as the suit.
But ties are often the same colour when the suit is darker...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:14 pm
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I think of far more concern is Paul Dale wearing a green and white striped shirt and green tie with a blue suit.

Then again, cops aren't supposed to have fashion sense.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:45 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
I think of far more concern is Paul Dale wearing a green and white striped shirt and green tie with a blue suit.

Then again, cops aren't supposed to have fashion sense.

Wearing that to a Royal Commission would be indictable. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:17 am
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I think the news yesterday showed CW wearing a darker suit and different-coloured tie.
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