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thesoretoothsayer
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In case you missed it, the God Emperor tweeted the following out today.
Modesty, Humility. Insight. Is Trump the perfect man?
| Quote: | | Theres only been 5 times in the last 105 years that an incumbent President has won seats in the Senate in the off year election. Mr. Trump has magic about him. This guy has magic coming out of his ears. He is an astonishing vote getter & campaigner. The Republicans are unbelievably lucky to have him and Im just awed at how well theyve done. Its all the Trump magic - Trump is the magic man. Incredible, hes got the entire media against him, attacking him every day, and he pulls out these enormous wins. Ben Stein, The Capitalist Code. |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | First time since 1914 that a party has gained control of the House but lost seats in the Senate. |
Didn't the Democrats lose power of both houses in the midterm after Obama was elected?
Based on that, You'd have to say Trump has done well. That the much anticipated "Blue Wave" didn't happen suggests the country is actually more divided than ever and the Democrats need to tighten their grip on reality |
With non compulsory voting their was always going to be big swing against Obama in the midterms because it took an extraordinary moment in history to make a black man the President of the United States in the first place.
It's already being reported that white males once again have been the biggest supporters of Republican candidates in these elections and Trump has successfully continued to exploit the dark underbelly of middle America with his divisive politics.
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swoop42
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A perfect example of what the Democrats are up against when dealing with the mindset of your average Trump supporter.
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stui magpie 
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Meh, there was a bigger swing against Clinton than Trump.
Fact is, Trump has support and they aren't all just uneducated dickheads, the deplorables or the dark underbelly.
The democrats need to get out of the echo chamber and try to legitimately understand what he's tapped into if they want to beat him in 2020.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Quote: | President Donald Trump speaks in fragmented sentences and fractured truths.
He is an adulterer, a hypocrite, politically clumsy and prone to retweeting racist posts. He has pushed well beyond the boundaries of any rational concept of presidential behavior, to say the least.
This is why may politicos thought the 2018 midterm election was going to be a referendum. And it was, in a sense -- but not so much on Trump or the Republican Party as it was for a Democratic Party that continues to struggle to compose a message about what it is for as opposed to what it is against.
Yes, the party took the House but the blue wave was not the tsunami party leadership had hoped it would be. This is in large part because the Democratic Party is still searching for its post 2008 identity. It wants to represent the young and diverse, but key leadership roles continue to be held by the old and the white, much like the Republican Party it chastises.
In 2010 and in 2014, Democratic incumbents seeking reelection distanced themselves from President Barack Obama's policies, not because they disagreed with them but because they weren't popular. As repulsive as some of Trump's rhetoric and policies may have been to Republicans over the past two years, you did not see the same level of retreat from them in this election as Obama experienced in his 2010 midterm shellacking. Which is why the Democrats victory was not so resounding.
Say what you will about the "Make America Great Again" slogan, the reality is that it's effective because it is a clear, proactive message. What exactly was the Democratic Party's message in 2016? 2018? What will it be in 2020?
Ten years ago, then-Sen. Obama was elected president behind a clear message of hope. Since then it's been a lot of finger-pointing and name-calling.
Don't get me wrong, taking the House is an important step for the Democratic Party's revival. And there were some fairly historic victories worth mentioning as well, such as Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar becoming the first Muslim women elected to Congress, or Jared Polis becoming the first openly gay man to be elected governor.
But if the party is to build momentum from the 2018 midterm, and not just tread water, leadership must spend more time defining what it is about and less time vilifying what it isn't. After all, people don't eat steak because it's not tofu. They eat steak because it's steak. |
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/07/opinions/why-this-blue-wave-was-no-tsunami-granderson/index.html
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Wokko 
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Impeachment would be suicide for the Dems in 2020. The House can impeach, but it's heard by the senate and needs a 2/3 vote to unseat the President. It's also presided over by the conservative Chief Justice.
The House can't do much without the Senate and need the President's signature for everything. They can launch investigations but this would get old pretty quick. |
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watt price tully 
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Meh, there was a bigger swing against Clinton than Trump.
Fact is, Trump has support and they aren't all just uneducated dickheads, the deplorables or the dark underbelly.
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No one said all Trump supporters are uneducated dickheads. It doesnt matter if they have an education or not 😜
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watt price tully
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What was that about the deplorable uneducated dickheads? Well it is Nevada after all.
Only in America.
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MJ23
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| watt price tully wrote: |
What was that about the deplorable uneducated dickheads? Well it is Nevada after all.
Only in America. |
Before you write of a whole state of people, wonder what that say's about the Dems in Nevada.........
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MJ23
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| Jezza wrote: | | First time since 1914 that a party has gained control of the House but lost seats in the Senate. |
Like him or not, Trump made history yesterday however he and the Republicans have a lot to learn that they need to take note of. While in a national race, Trump's campaigning makes a huge difference and you'd expect no different next year. They did loose ground in the suburbs, among women and blacks. Can be typical in a mid-term but if I were them Id be looking hard at it and making adjustments.
For the Dems, they have a HUGE opportunity in the next two years and how they respond will make the difference I believe in 2020.
IF, they work with Republicans on an infrastructure bill, on a budget that starts to reduce the deficit but leaves the tax cuts, IF they can do a deal in immigration that probably involves DACA and boarder security, IF they dont try to re-introduce regulations back into the business / Manufacturing / finance sectors, IF they can be productive and be seen as legislating they will go a long way to winning in 2020. Nothing Trump wasnt prepare to work with them on in the last two years the difference being that now controlling the house they can control the message.
Problem is, they will be fighting nutters within their own party that will want to seek to impeach, investigate Trump, keep the Russia collusion story alive, subpoena his tax returns, become disruptive and attack at all costs. It wont work. Biggest issue they now face is that they will have 20-35 candidates tearing each other apart for the presidential nomination and most will be vying for media time. The media love Trump bashing so it will be the squeaky wheel.
America has a huge opportunity right now. I actually think this is the best outcome for right now and much of what happens in 2020 will be determined in the next 12 months.
Hopefully though the republicans get at least another Supreme court nom in the next two years. 
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David 
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re: supreme court nominations, doesnt the house need to confirm them? If so, Id say theres precisely 0% chance of the Democrats accepting anyone Trump puts up.
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Pies4shaw 
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| MJ23 wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | First time since 1914 that a party has gained control of the House but lost seats in the Senate. |
Like him or not, Trump made history yesterday however he and the Republicans have a lot to learn that they need to take note of. While in a national race, Trump's campaigning makes a huge difference and you'd expect no different next year. They did loose ground in the suburbs, among women and blacks. Can be typical in a mid-term but if I were them Id be looking hard at it and making adjustments.
For the Dems, they have a HUGE opportunity in the next two years and how they respond will make the difference I believe in 2020.
IF, they work with Republicans on an infrastructure bill, on a budget that starts to reduce the deficit but leaves the tax cuts, IF they can do a deal in immigration that probably involves DACA and boarder security, IF they dont try to re-introduce regulations back into the business / Manufacturing / finance sectors, IF they can be productive and be seen as legislating they will go a long way to winning in 2020. Nothing Trump wasnt prepare to work with them on in the last two years the difference being that now controlling the house they can control the message.
Problem is, they will be fighting nutters within their own party that will want to seek to impeach, investigate Trump, keep the Russia collusion story alive, subpoena his tax returns, become disruptive and attack at all costs. It wont work. Biggest issue they now face is that they will have 20-35 candidates tearing each other apart for the presidential nomination and most will be vying for media time. The media love Trump bashing so it will be the squeaky wheel.
America has a huge opportunity right now. I actually think this is the best outcome for right now and much of what happens in 2020 will be determined in the next 12 months.
Hopefully though the republicans get at least another Supreme court nom in the next two years. |
Its an interesting version of constitutional theory that would describe members of the legislative branch of government who want to hold the executive branch accountable as nutters.
There are three aspects of government under the US constitution. The president (any president, not the present one, in particular) is the most obvious, frequently the loudest and, after yesterday (as is frequently the case after the mid-terms), the least important. |
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MJ23
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| David wrote: | | re: supreme court nominations, doesnt the house need to confirm them? If so, Id say theres precisely 0% chance of the Democrats accepting anyone Trump puts up. |
No, no they dont. Just the senate. this is why Trump spent so much time campaigning in senate races especially those that were close. And every candidate he campaigned for won.
While the supreme court appointments get all the noise, federal judges have been appointed by the bucket load by Trump.
So far, 84 Article III judges including 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court
There are currently 57 nominations to Article III courts awaiting Senate action. There are currently 11 vacancies on the U.S. Courts of Appeals, 111 vacancies on the U.S. District Courts, 2 vacancies on the U.S. Court of International Trade and 20 announced federal judicial vacancies that will occur before the end of Trump's first term (4 for the Courts of Appeals and 16 for District Courts)
As much power the dems will have in the house, the republicans have more in the senate.
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MJ23
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | MJ23 wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | First time since 1914 that a party has gained control of the House but lost seats in the Senate. |
Like him or not, Trump made history yesterday however he and the Republicans have a lot to learn that they need to take note of. While in a national race, Trump's campaigning makes a huge difference and you'd expect no different next year. They did loose ground in the suburbs, among women and blacks. Can be typical in a mid-term but if I were them Id be looking hard at it and making adjustments.
For the Dems, they have a HUGE opportunity in the next two years and how they respond will make the difference I believe in 2020.
IF, they work with Republicans on an infrastructure bill, on a budget that starts to reduce the deficit but leaves the tax cuts, IF they can do a deal in immigration that probably involves DACA and boarder security, IF they dont try to re-introduce regulations back into the business / Manufacturing / finance sectors, IF they can be productive and be seen as legislating they will go a long way to winning in 2020. Nothing Trump wasnt prepare to work with them on in the last two years the difference being that now controlling the house they can control the message.
Problem is, they will be fighting nutters within their own party that will want to seek to impeach, investigate Trump, keep the Russia collusion story alive, subpoena his tax returns, become disruptive and attack at all costs. It wont work. Biggest issue they now face is that they will have 20-35 candidates tearing each other apart for the presidential nomination and most will be vying for media time. The media love Trump bashing so it will be the squeaky wheel.
America has a huge opportunity right now. I actually think this is the best outcome for right now and much of what happens in 2020 will be determined in the next 12 months.
Hopefully though the republicans get at least another Supreme court nom in the next two years. |
Its an interesting version of constitutional theory that would describe members of the legislative branch of government who want to hold the executive branch accountable as nutters.
There are three aspects of government under the US constitution. The president (any president, not the present one, in particular) is the most obvious, frequently the loudest and, after yesterday (as is frequently the case after the mid-terms), the least important. |
Tried to suggest a positive outcome for the dems and a constructive way forward but whatever.
Not really sure what your on about with the three branches however using your logic Obama was least important for 6 out of 8 years.......
Executive orders are not without power especially when they have a conservative supreme court.
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MJ23
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Trump just asked for Sessions resignation and hes given it.
Things are heating up. This will be VERY interesting.
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