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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:08 am
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I'm curious to know what people think of the different treatment. Murray will miss 2 years, Mumford will be playing for the Giants again next month. Same as Jake Carlisle. Yes, I know Murray tested positive on game day, and Mumford just filmed himself in the off season. BUT Mumford is an AFL employee and will be playing again soon -- why the f*** should he be allowed? I'm always staggered by the different responses to our boys and other clubs. If this thread's not allowed, please delete.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:21 am
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Mr Miyagi wrote:
I'm curious to know what people think of the different treatment. Murray will miss 2 years, Mumford will be playing for the Giants again next month. Same as Jake Carlisle. Yes, I know Murray tested positive on game day, and Mumford just filmed himself in the off season. BUT Mumford is an AFL employee and will be playing again soon -- why the f*** should he be allowed? I'm always staggered by the different responses to our boys and other clubs. If this thread's not allowed, please delete.


It's not a different response though, as you yourself said, he tested positive on game day.

The attitude towards players using recreationally in the off-season can be debated I guess (personally I don't really care), but Murray's an idiot for doing it close enough to game day to get picked up in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:23 am
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Majority of Players do it but they don't get caught on Gameday like Murray Did
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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:27 am
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The result's the same though, both were caught red-handed.

And the responses are different. A lot of people are saying "who cares" with Mumford, I've heard people say Mumford deserves a chance to play again. But with Murray, he deserves more than 2 years, should never play again, Collingwood has a bad culture. The culture at GWS hasn't been called into question. AFL officials fled the cameras at the AFLW draft.

Now, I'm happy for Murray to get whacked with 2 years. And I shouldn't be surprised by how people, particularly the media, respond to our club differently. Where are the articles bagging the Giants culture? Caro, Robbo, not enough clickbait for you? Not gonna link Heath and Collingwood to Mummy?

Murray and Collingwood were thrown under the bus by a leak (shouldn't have happened, ASADA is confidential, and Barrett can suck his "confidential sources"). The last leak a few years ago was also a set-up. The AFL and media are happy to use us as scapegoats and warnings (and to derail our season like the Sydney-led leak from a few years ago). Even though the AFL knows drugs culture is a lot worse at other clubs, we all know it is. Yet it's always Collingwood.

I'm so bloody glad people who leaked Bennell's vid, Carlisle and Mumford and now Watts are sticking it up the AFL and making it clear it's not just a Collingwood issue. I'm sick to death of our club being the whipping boy for this issue.


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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:30 am
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I guess it is what it is. It's been this way for decades, it's not going to change.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:39 am
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for a start its the giants the afl are desperate to make them work, same as a certain sydney player, the afl is rigged,

however, Murray dug his own ditch and i have no sympathy, its like fishing, you never catch them all. there is no proof of what that powder was (dont you watch any of the csi shows!) but honestly, im just glad its not us picking him up. Mud is mud and it will stick, next

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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:49 am
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Obviously Heath Shaw brought Collingwood's bad culture to GWS and corrupted his Giants team mates. Geez, journalism is so easy, I should apply for Caro's job!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:52 am
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Because Murray's situation involves an allegation that he tested positive for a substance that may enhance his performance on game day.

Mumford's does not.

Irrespective of whether we agree with it, sports doping is generally considered about the most serious breach of the rules that can be committed, across just about every code, NFL excepted. As opposed to conduct which can be dealt with openly during a match (remedying an unfair advantage) or conduct outside a match setting which may bring a sport "into disrepute" (but still distanced from fairness of the sport itself), doping can undermine the validity of an entire sport or league.

Do we really want AFL to turn into cycling or the olympics, with entire teams routinely suspended and people being stripped of their successes years down the track (ala Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson... and Jobe Watson)? After the issues at Essendon in particular, my answer is most certainly no. And I don't feel all that sorry for those who are caught and handed heavy suspensions to deter others.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:00 pm
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Testing positive on Game Day, as Murray did, is a violation of the anti-doping code, not the illicit drugs code. Were he unfortunate enough to have been caught on the Friday or the Sunday (or any other day), it would have fallen within the jurisdiction of the AFL's illicit drugs code, not the WADA anti-doping code. It's also an automatic 4 year penalty these days, not just 2. Under the AFL's list lodgement rules, you couldn't even carry him as a rookie for that long.

As for Mumford, his indiscretion was caught by the always reliable power of a mobile phone in the hands of a dickhead teammate, not the testers. As such, the penalty the AFL will likely hand down is probably going to be in the vicinity of an old-fashioned 'naughty boy, don't do it again' strongly intoned talking to.

Boys, if you must blow your hard-earned on something, do it on something harmless like video games or the Foxtel porn channel. Worst you'll do is carpal tunnel...

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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:12 pm
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Mumford's funniest home video is also three years old. Murray's positive was 1-3 days old.

Big difference.

I guess I really just want the media to go to town on the AFL and other clubs' culture, like they always do ours. I know, I'm dreaming, it'll never happen, no other club has a problem.
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Mr Miyagi 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:17 pm
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It still pales in comparison to Freddie Mercury, who threw parties with dwarfs serving cocaine.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:24 pm
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Mr Miyagi wrote:
It still pales in comparison to Freddie Mercury, who threw parties with dwarfs serving cocaine.

very logical response there!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:25 pm
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MagpieBat wrote:
Testing positive on Game Day, as Murray did, is a violation of the anti-doping code, not the illicit drugs code. Were he unfortunate enough to have been caught on the Friday or the Sunday (or any other day), it would have fallen within the jurisdiction of the AFL's illicit drugs code, not the WADA anti-doping code. It's also an automatic 4 year penalty these days, not just 2. Under the AFL's list lodgement rules, you couldn't even carry him as a rookie for that long.

As for Mumford, his indiscretion was caught by the always reliable power of a mobile phone in the hands of a dickhead teammate, not the testers. As such, the penalty the AFL will likely hand down is probably going to be in the vicinity of an old-fashioned 'naughty boy, don't do it again' strongly intoned talking to.

Boys, if you must blow your hard-earned on something, do it on something harmless like video games or the Foxtel porn channel. Worst you'll do is carpal tunnel...


yep keep your $£$%^%%$ nose clean guys, no problem! how hard is it!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:27 pm
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Mr Miyagi wrote:
Obviously Heath Shaw brought Collingwood's bad culture to GWS and corrupted his Giants team mates. Geez, journalism is so easy, I should apply for Caro's job!

heath could not control his adhd on the field, i dont recall any mention of drugs, not even when he got in that car. dont put this on his name

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:29 pm
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Mr Miyagi wrote:
It still pales in comparison to Freddie Mercury, who threw parties with dwarfs serving cocaine.


But not even Freddy set them alight.
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