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Pies4shaw 
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| That might be how the title of the thread came to refer to fellow travellers. You are much more dangerous than the fascists because you apologise for them, routinely. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| pietillidie wrote: | Much of everything said should be taken with a grain of salt. If you said you liked cats, someone will say they hate them because they kill birds. This will in turn imply that you're aiding and abetting the killing of birds. And off it will run, with people forming sides despite having very little interest in the subject.
Combine this with the cathartic effect of ranting and arguing, and the need to generate clicks in other contexts, and you account for most of the content you now read everywhere. It's almost as if we're acting out a genre, the precise content of which doesn't matter.
Would people submit this content as a formal, serious statement of their views? I doubt it. We all now avoid clear, organised statements like the plague, because underneath we're nowhere near as sure as our rants imply.
As I say, I think this is the new nihilism. We test ourselves by spouting whatever, but it's a game, not a statement of serious fact, not least because no one knows what serious fact is, not to mention it's way too hard to write seriously. Trump's entire schtick is built on this; he is not afraid of saying any old crap because he knows under these rules nothing can really be taken as a lasting statement. Is he being stupid, impulsive, strategic, ironic, provocative, ingenious, legal, illegal, backward, ahead of the curve, or none of these? Take your pick; go rant about it and give him free publicity.
So, to answer your question, I don't buy most of the stronger views on here, whatever their stripe. The far right is the new fashion accessory it once accused the greens of being. |
Well, yes and no, there is a lot above that seems true to me. This forum is partly fun because you can try out ideas in a state of relative anonymity and you do not have to live everyday amid the people you try them out on. So indeed, not everything one posts on here would necessarily survive real world application.
Still, I certainly mean the great majority of what I write (i was a bit flippant about cats). I grew up on the Left, and gradually came to feel that most of the things that seemed self-evident to me were just not true. I did not understand what I wanted to tear down, and I came to see that people were mostly happier under conditions that I was (at that time) busy trying to trash. It is a shock to find that a great deal of conventional liberal wisdom is far, far thinner than it appears.
I find truly conservative views rather rare in modern life, because you have to understand the deep history that underlies things that you want to preserve, and not everyone has time to do that. So I write them down in a few places to frame them and to see whether they can survive the scrutiny of those who disagree. So it’s not quite a game, but it is occasionally a bit more experimental here than real life.
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Mugwump
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | That might be how the title of the thread came to refer to fellow travellers. You are much more dangerous than the fascists because you apologise for them, routinely. |
I figured that out, funnily enough. In your warped view of the world, “fellow traveller” means “this person does not actually express the views I want to ascribe to him, so i’ll pretend he does.”
If you think I am “much more dangerous than fascists” (sic - yes, he really said that!!) I imagine it’s because I have arguments and knowledge that you can’t intimidate by looking down your nose. Those who are exposed in general play, play the man. Always a giveaway.
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Pies4shaw
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| I didn’t play the man. I expressed a direct view about your appalling opinions. If you can’t cope, there’s no need to become snide. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | there’s no need to become snide. |
The irony is killing me.
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Wokko 
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think positive 
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Well during my weekly chat with the Jezza, I discreetly checked for any new nazi tattoos or a kkk hood (I would have borrowed that, kept me head warm!) annnnd nup still as genteel as ever!
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | there’s no need to become snide. |
The irony is killing me. |
The admission of being a lawyer is apt.
Laughable is the word that comes to mind.... and that's after years of your pompous bile you continually emit.. are you a Clinton?
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| think positive wrote: | | Well during my weekly chat with the Jezza, I discreetly checked for any new nazi tattoos or a kkk hood (I would have borrowed that, kept me head warm!) annnnd nup still as genteel as ever! |
It's "the Jezza" now? And did you really check the most intimate areas?
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Skids wrote: | You're the most pretentious poster on this forum.
I can't believe you're not a Melbourne supporter to be Frank.
You are so far from the real world it's not funny.
Your responses are so typical and tiresome, most don't bother with them anymore.
I must be a bigot, nazi, racist, islamaphobe, homophobe you speak of hey  |
Well, you certainly seem to be wearing the bovver boots tonight.
If you weren’t being gratuitously abusive, I’d be thinking I’d done something wrong.
As for your list, I haven't really given it much thought. How many of those boxes do you think you tick? |
In your world.... all of them.
In the real world.... none ... well , maybe the islam thing... I don't think it works with our way of life... so yeah, I don't like the Islam thing.
Is that bad?
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| K wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Well during my weekly chat with the Jezza, I discreetly checked for any new nazi tattoos or a kkk hood (I would have borrowed that, kept me head warm!) annnnd nup still as genteel as ever! |
It's "the Jezza" now? And did you really check the most intimate areas? |
Wouldn’t have been much point tonight, so damn cold, I believe called it shrinkage!
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| Mugwump wrote: | Of the regular posters, I think there are 7 on the right and 5 on the Left.
Swoop, David, P4S PTID and WPT. Rarely much disagreement between these posters.
Skids, Wokko, Mugwump, Stui, Jezza, Soretooth and Pi. Quite a bit of disagreement between these posters.
TP and K seem pretty apolitical. KenH is so mildly Left that he posts more or less apolitically, too. Sheriffe has turned up once or twice, launched an angry class war rocket or two, and then stormed off.
I see no evidence of what the mainstream media would consider extremism. The only incitement to,or approval of violence that I can recall, seems to come from P4S with his occasional mock-humorous references to the idea that conservatives “should be drowned at birth”, inter alia.
As for “Fascism”, well, if you have a history degree, you might want to define the term, as I doubt you understand it, f you think you see it here. I suspect you use it as a political swear word. I am trying to think of anyone here ever expressing general approval of Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco, or even Peron. I see no approval of Roman imperialism either. I would offer a partial defence of Salazar, as does about half of Portuguese society. Does that count ? |
I’ll have rearrange the team!
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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Sorry guys, locking this thread as I don’t feel like this is going anywhere good.
If I could remind all posters of the BB’s first rule:
| Quote: | | Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. You are encouraged to voice your opinions, but please be considerate of others and treat them as you would like to be treated - plain and simple really. Posts that are abusive, hateful or intolerant of the differences of others will be removed or edited and the posters may be warned. |
That means not only that a) posters should refrain from any and all personal attacks and abuse of individual members, but also that b) racism, xenophobia and other forms of bigotry are also unacceptable. We may have been a bit lax on both of these areas lately, but will endeavour to enforce it more rigorously in future.
Thanks, David for BBMods.
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