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Pies4shaw 
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| Mugwump wrote: | | ^ said what I needed to say. If you cannot disagree without personal invective, its best bypassed. |
There is no personal invective. If youre going to hold tragically awful views, you can expect people to say such things about those views from time to time. |
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Pies4shaw
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| HAL wrote: | | How specifically do you make me bought into that conversation to upbraid us for failing to take up your interpretation of Skids post |
Since you seem to have such an interest, HAL, you might consider the distinction between an interpretationand an inescapable inference. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | ^ Well, that book sounds like it comes from the National Socialists book of the week offer, but since Skids has never mentioned it, and he writes about things that have actually happened rather than grotesque fantasies, and hes explained that the plague he was referring to was Islam, is it really fair to imply that he holds views like those of this book ?
It is possible to love ones own culture, and to dislike mass, unmanaged immigration without endorsing the KkK. Best to let peoples actual words define their views, rather than put books in their mouth. |
Skids was condemned by his own words. I merely expressed my reasonable disgust at his bile. If you dont want to accept the obvious, I cant be concerned about that. Life is too short to put up with mealy-mouthed apologists. |
He has stated clearly what he meant, which was a plausible explanation. You didnt look at the link he initially posted and made a false assumption as a result. Stamp your foot and insist on your own contested narrative about someone elses meaning all you like, it wont make it correct.
As for my being a mealy-mouthed apologist, your ad hominem reflex might need seeing to. A nasty streak is an ill camouflage for a bad argument. |
Yes - and what he meant turned out to be worse than what I originally thought. Stop defending the indefensible. Skids position on such matters is shameful and disgusting. Your apologia, however, is worse. Moreover, it merely serves to demonstrate - quite clearly - how nasty, divisive, outrageous and unhinged your own views are once the surface is scratched. |
Oh turn it up Peter Pan.
You continually ignore the evidence that mass immigration of muslims is causing more grief around the globe than anything else.
Even that fool Merkel is now having to accept her huge blunder, other European countries are reducing, if not banning these migrants.
You use the typical leftist, elitist response to any opinion different to yours with he's a; racist, nazi, misogynist, bigot blah blah blah. When in fact you have no idea.
I have relatives and friends of all races and religions, barring of course muslims, who, refuse to assimilate into our society..... but you can't see that.
Come for a stroll through Mirrabooka one night after 9pm and you'll get an idea of how the real world is.
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| Skids wrote: | | You continually ignore the evidence that mass immigration of muslims is causing more grief around the globe than anything else. |
That's such a huge load of one-eyed nonsense. And yes, it does indicate deeply held prejudice against people, not just ideology/religion.
You talk about the real world, but you wouldn't have a skerrick of insight into the real lives of the migrants you hold in contempt, and your posts demonstrate that. Your world, as you express it on here, is a total fantasy.
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watt price tully 
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| David wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | You continually ignore the evidence that mass immigration of muslims is causing more grief around the globe than anything else. |
That's such a huge load of one-eyed nonsense. And yes, it does indicate deeply held prejudice against people, not just ideology/religion.
You talk about the real world, but you wouldn't have a skerrick of insight into the lives of the migrants you hold in contempt. Your world, as you express it on here, is a total fantasy. |
What are Skids's issues regarding Muslims doing on this thread? It needs to be moved to a separate thread as the waters here are muddied with Skid's obsession. Skids is juxtaposing muslims with this thead about Sudanese being perpetrators of crime. That in itself should sufficent reason to separate it out.
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watt price tully
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| Mugwump wrote: | | ^ said what I needed to say. If you cannot disagree without personal invective, its best bypassed. |
Perhaps you should apply that to Skids then again it's best bypassed.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| David wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | You continually ignore the evidence that mass immigration of muslims is causing more grief around the globe than anything else. |
That's such a huge load of one-eyed nonsense. And yes, it does indicate deeply held prejudice against people, not just ideology/religion.
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Why is it a huge load of one-eyed nonsense ?
Mass immigration of Muslims, while not perhaps the greatest cause of grief around the world, is certainly a major cause of problems. From London, to Atocha, to New York City, to Paris and Manchester and Nice and Belgium and on, the many dead as a result of Islamic terror, and the powerfully divisive rhetoric of Islam once embedded, should make Korea pause before it makes the same mistake as we have.
Only in the world of modern leftist ideology would one be vilified for deprecating an action which increases the chances of having thousands murdered on your soil. It is not prejudice to recognize that Islam makes ideological claims on a host society that (say) Chinese and Indians do not.
The hyperventilation from one side on this subject, as usual, suggests an hysterical desire to face down reality by shouting louder at anyone indecorous enough to insist upon it.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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So Sth Korea doesn't want any, I don't recall Japan putting their hands up, nor the two most populous nations on Earth, India and China.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | ^ said what I needed to say. If you cannot disagree without personal invective, its best bypassed. |
There is no personal invective. If youre going to hold tragically awful views, you can expect people to say such things about those views from time to time. |
Indeed, you do expect it when you hold views that run counter to self-righteous orthodoxy. There is often a lot of real anger and deep intolerance in the righteous, which is apt to express itself when one dares to question their monopoly on decency.
If my views are tragically awful, perhaps you can show where, using direct quotes. My declining to share your debatable, indeed dubious, interpretation of anothers post is not evidence in either of our worlds.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | HAL wrote: | | How specifically do you make me bought into that conversation to upbraid us for failing to take up your interpretation of Skids post |
Since you seem to have such an interest, HAL, you might consider the distinction between an interpretationand an inescapable inference. |
And then, Hal, you can elucidate the difference between an inescapable inference and a tangential one, such as suggesting that a post about Yemenis seeking asylum in Korea is somehow inescapably about black people.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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And then Hal you can elucidate the difference between an inescapable inference and a tangential one such as suggesting that a post about Yemenis seeking asylum in Korea is a lot of things. |
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| Mugwump wrote: | | David wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | You continually ignore the evidence that mass immigration of muslims is causing more grief around the globe than anything else. |
That's such a huge load of one-eyed nonsense. And yes, it does indicate deeply held prejudice against people, not just ideology/religion.
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Why is it a huge load of one-eyed nonsense ?
Mass immigration of Muslims, while not perhaps the greatest cause of grief around the world, is certainly a major cause of problems. From London, to Atocha, to New York City, to Paris and Manchester and Nice and Belgium and on, the many dead as a result of Islamic terror, and the powerfully divisive rhetoric of Islam once embedded, should make Korea pause before it makes the same mistake as we have.
Only in the world of modern leftist ideology would one be vilified for deprecating an action which increases the chances of having thousands murdered on your soil. It is not prejudice to recognize that Islam makes ideological claims on a host society that (say) Chinese and Indians do not.
The hyperventilation from one side on this subject, as usual, suggests an hysterical desire to face down reality by shouting louder at anyone indecorous enough to insist upon it. |
The things causing the most grief around the globe at the moment are more likely those that are causing mass emigration in more immediate terms, that's civil war and geopolitical instability (remarkably, not a peculiarly Islamic phenomenon); in broader terms, it's poverty, hunger, illness and global inequality (with climate change promising to cause even more woe in the years to come). Terrorism is also a significant problem, of course, but its link to the mass migration of recent years has not been demonstrated (and even if it had been exacerbated by it, to pin the blame for it on the 99.999% of Muslim migrants who don't participate in it would, of course, be odious to any reasonable person). So no, I don't think Muslim migrants are the cause of most of the world's woes, just as I don't think Jewish people or African-Americans are. I didn't necessarily think that view needed to be justified, but here we are.
| stui magpie wrote: | | So Sth Korea doesn't want any, I don't recall Japan putting their hands up, nor the two most populous nations on Earth, India and China. |
You're joking, right? 
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-largest-muslim-populations.html
| Quote: | 3. India - 189,000,000
India has the third largest Muslim population in the world. |
China also has a substantial Muslim minority population. They seem to have quite a restrictive immigration policy in general, but I'm not aware of any specific barriers to Muslim migration.
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stui magpie
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And how many muslim refugees did India and the others take in?
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