Attacking power has improved

[stui magpie]

^

Leg speed is a weapon no doubt, but so is being able to get where the footy is.

[AN_Inkling]

Two counter narrative facts for us this year:

Avg Goals: 14.2 (3rd) - last year 11th

And a rubbish stat but some like it:
DE%: 74.5 (1st) - last year 7th

[Pies2016]

[AN_Inkling]

^^A team can be good with high DE and low DE. Whether a high DE is good is completely contextual and the stat is therefore pointless to show whether a team is playing well.

Another example:
We were 10% worse than Melbourne for DE. The main reason why? We were breaking lines and attacking through the middle. We also had many more inside 50s (always the lowest DE kick). Melbourne were forced wide and indirect. This is not better football but it does result in better DE.

And on the individual player level, the very best players are mainly under 70% DE for the year. This is mostly about adventurous and attacking play. Again, players who kick the ball into the 50 a lot (like De Goey on Monday) will usually not have a high DE. Yet, it is desirable to enter the 50, just another case where low DE does not correlate to worse play or worse kicking. The best way to have a high DE is to chip the ball around your backine (it's why the Saints are 2nd best), far from a winning strategy.

[Jezza]

In addition to earlier stats I posted.

Collingwood = 6
- 1). Jordan De Goey (6) v St Kilda = Round 9 2018
- 2). Will Hoskin-Elliott (6) v Fremantle = Round 11 2018
- 3). Josh Thomas (5) v Carlton = Round 3 2018
- 4). Jaidyn Stephenson (5) v Adelaide = Round 4 2018
- 5). Jordan De Goey (5) v Brisbane = Round 7 2018
- 6). Mason Cox (5) v Melbourne = Round 12 2018
Melbourne = 6
- 1). Tom McDonald (6) v Collingwood = Round 12 2018
- 2). Jesse Hogan (5) v Brisbane = Round 2 2018
- 3). Tom McDonald (5) v Gold Coast = Round 8 2018
- 4). Jake Melksham (5) v Carlton = Round 9 2018
- 5). Jesse Hogan (5) v Adelaide = Round 10 2018
- 6). Jesse Hogan (5) v Western Bulldogs = Round 11 2018
Richmond = 4
- 1). Dustin Martin (6) v Brisbane = Round 4 2018
- 2). Josh Caddy (6) v St Kilda = Round 6 2018
- 3). Dustin Martin (5) v Adelaide = Round 2 2018
- 4). Jack Riewoldt (5) v West Coast = Round 9 2018
North Melbourne = 3
- 1). Ben Brown (6) v St Kilda = Round 2 2018
- 2). Ben Brown (5) v Carlton = Round 4 2018
- 3). Ben Brown (5) v GWS = Round 9 2018
West Coast = 3
- 1). Jack Darling (6) v Richmond = Round 9 2018
- 2). Josh Kennedy (6) v St Kilda = Round 11 2018
- 3). Josh Kennedy (5) v Gold Coast = Round 4 2018
Adelaide = 2
- 1). Josh Jenkins (5) v Richmond = Round 2 2018
- 2). Mitch McGovern (5) v Carlton = Round 7 2018
Carlton = 2
- 1). Charlie Curnow (5) v Richmond = Round 1 2018
- 2). Matthew Wright (5) v Richmond = Round 1 2018
GWS = 2
- 1). Jeremy Cameron (6) v Western Bulldogs = Round 1 2018
- 2). Jeremy Cameron (6) v Gold Coast = Round 12 2018
Hawthorn = 2
- 1). Luke Breust (5) v North Melbourne = Round 5 2018
- 2). Jack Gunston (5) v Sydney = Round 8 2018
St Kilda = 2
- 1). Jade Gresham (6) v Richmond = Round 10 2018
- 2). Tim Membrey (6) v West Coast = Round 11 2018
Sydney = 2
- 1). Lance Franklin [8] v West Coast = Round 1 2018
- 2). Ben Ronke (7) v Hawthorn = Round 8 2018
Brisbane = 1
- 1). Dayne Beams (5) v North Melbourne = Round 11 2018
Fremantle = 1
- 1). Michael Walters (5) v Western Bulldogs = Round 5 2018
Geelong = 1
- 1). Daniel Menzel (5) v St Kilda = Round 4 2018
Gold Coast = 1
- 1). Tom Lynch [8] v Carlton = Round 2 2018
Port Adelaide = 1
- 1). Robbie Gray (6) v Adelaide = Round 8 2018
Essendon = 0
Western Bulldogs = 0

To be the only team to have 5 different players kick 5 goals or more in a match is an impressive feat. I'm in awe of the way we've turned around our forward line woes.

[Pies2016]

[K]

^ That's interesting, P16. I'll probably quote & respond in the stats thread...

[And may quote & respond to DE discussion in the DE thread...]

[Pies2016]

[Jezza]

Interesting article about the statistical nature of our forward line this year.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2018-06-15/the-pies-goal-glut

[K]

^ "The record number of Collingwood players kicking five or more goals in a season is seven. That record was set in 1983 and equalled in 1989."

Who were the seven in 1989? Can we guess them without looking it up?
For starters, let me guess: B. Taylor, P. Daicos, G. Wright ...
Who else? I'm now re-thinking the Wright guess. Maybe that was '87. By '89, I guess he'd re-emerged as a wingman, no longer a forward pocket...

Is it easier or harder to guess the seven in 1983?

[RudeBoy]

[TurkishPie]

[Pies4shaw]

Mike Richardson: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/040719830730.html

Richo also kicked a bag of 7 later that year: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/041519830827.html

Mark Williams: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/041419830514.html

Peter Daicos: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/041519830604.html

(Shane Morwood also kicked 5 that day)

(and, as you'd expect, Daics did it again later in the year): https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/041519830827.html

Craig Davis did it in consecutive weeks:

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/030419830625.html

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/040519830702.html


And Weideman kicked 5 (from 6 kicks) in round 1: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1983/041119830326.html

In 1989, Daicos, Manson, McKeown, BT (5 times, including a 9), Graham Wright, Heath Shepherd and Athas the Great.

[K]

^ You've listed only 6 for 1983!

[Pies4shaw]

Sorry, got bored. The seventh in 83 must have been Tony Russell against the Swans, the day John Annear won his Brownlow.(!)