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Donny 
Formerly known as MAGFAN8.
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Location: Toonumbar NSW Australia
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5 Rounds completed.
1. Richmond
2. West Coast
3. GWS
4. North Melbourne
5. Collingwood
6. Geelong
7. Hawthorn
8. Adelaide
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Donny
Formerly known as MAGFAN8.
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Location: Toonumbar NSW Australia
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Of the 9 teams on 3 wins, we have the second highest percentage.
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E
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Percentage doesn't matter. We are still in equal 12th place. There is a long way to go.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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It does matter, but it doesn't matter right now. And agreed, a long way to go.
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Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Location: somewhere
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Fifth! Woohooo! Lovin it! Last night Jezza told me we haven’t been in the 8 once in about three years?
And don’t remind me, I don’t care, I know we have the premiers in just 4 days, but I promise you this, the score won’t worry me if the black and whites get out there and give it their all. I’m so $£$%^%%$ proud of this team right now. We had no passengers yesterday, not one. And that is what builds champion TEAMS, side by side boys, I can’t wait!
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Adam Treloar 3 Votes
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Unlike some of the teams in the eight that have started with an easy draw I.e West Coast, Collingwood have already played 3 of our 5 games against top 8 sides with Richmond to come this week. After that our draw opens up with only 1 more game against a top 8 side (cats) up to the bye. So we should be able to build on our position.
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BazBoy
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Our position on the ladder from our input rely’s a fair part in consistency
What other sides do when not playing us —well that’s out of our hands
If we cast our minds back to round 23 last year you see how Dee,s fragile
position and a loss to us stuffed a whole lot of effort they had done
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Pies2016
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I have more trouble believing that W C and North are second and fourth, more than the Pies sitting fifth.
Neither of those teams have a mid field group between them. Surely they won’t be there in Sept. |
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Johnno75
Joined: 07 Oct 2010
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It's the first time since Round 15, 2015 we have finished the round inside the 8.
It's only baby steps but better than being in the bottom 7 consistently.
I will definitely take 4-4 after Round 8 because we have a decent run between Rounds 9-18 where if we play with similar consistency than we are now that will setup our season.
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piedys 
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| Donny wrote: | | Of the 9 teams on 3 wins, we have the second highest percentage. |
And we need to keep it up around this mark too; chances are it will be crucial should there be a log-jam of teams on similar win/loss ratios jockeying for spots in the eight, late into the season...
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| piedys wrote: | | Donny wrote: | | Of the 9 teams on 3 wins, we have the second highest percentage. |
And we need to keep it up around this mark too; chances are it will be crucial should there be a log-jam of teams on similar win/loss ratios jockeying for spots in the eight, late into the season... |
Which makes a mockery of the "% doesn't matter" club.
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E
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| piedys wrote: | | Donny wrote: | | Of the 9 teams on 3 wins, we have the second highest percentage. |
And we need to keep it up around this mark too; chances are it will be crucial should there be a log-jam of teams on similar win/loss ratios jockeying for spots in the eight, late into the season... |
i repeat - percentage doesn't matter!! If we are relying on percentage to make the 8, we wont be good enough to win the flag so who cares!!!!
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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^ I agree with a lot of your posts, E, but I think you are taking too little account of how equal the competition now is. Top 4 could easily be decided by percentage and a rising team can now win from 5-8. Percentage is more important than ever, in that context.
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| Of course percentage counts....but winning games is more important. |
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E
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Mugwump wrote: | | ^ I agree with a lot of your posts, E, but I think you are taking too little account of how equal the competition now is. Top 4 could easily be decided by percentage and a rising team can now win from 5-8. Percentage is more important than ever, in that context. |
huh? let's unpack that. Top 4 could be decided on percentage AND a rising team can now win from 5-8.
So let's say top 4 is decided by percentage. So what. First 4 spots are exactly the same. win, you get a bye to the prelim. Lose and you have to win the next 3. percentage will obviously determine your opponent, but how do you know which spot you'd rather have? It wont always be the highest percentage that gets you the best match-up.
Now let's say percentage means you finish 5th instead of fourth. If you are a rising team, even you just admitted, "a rising team can now win from 5-8". So if you finish 5th instead of fourth and you are good enough, it wont hurt you.
My own belief is that if you are relying on percentage to make the top 4, you arent good enough, unless you are a rising team in which case, by your own admission, it doesnt matter where you finish in the 8.
The only time percentage can make an actual difference is if you make or miss the finals because of it. I contend that if you are in either of those positions, you have no shot at a flag (history supports this contention). and so it really doesn't matter whether you make the finals or not!
Finally, for the record, the reason percentage doesnt matter is because of the current final 8 system and because the only thing that matters is winning flags!!
So no-one give me an example from the final 4 or final 5 or final 6 days (or even the early final 8 rules that have since been changed). Back then, percentage could prove critical (see 1992 for example).
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