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| Pies2016 wrote: | ... As long as people have agendas, cutting edge programs in various forms will always be considered ( although you would have thought the Crows learnt their lesson after Nigel Smart and Rod Jamieson badly burnt their feet from fire walking. W T F ! )
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... And, a hazy recollection of fire walking and burnt feet now comes to mind as another AFL expedition to the other side.
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Firewalk Fiasco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tu25jyZ6q4
The day Smart earned the nickname 'Notso'
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-day-smart-earned-the-nickname-notso-20020914-gdul9j.html
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It happened on January 28, 1992, during a pre-season training camp at Rapid Bay, about 80 kilometres south of Adelaide.
The Crows' first coach Graham Cornes and his players had gone there for some bonding in an effort to improve on the team's effort in winning 10 games in its first year in the national competition.
The club arranged for a motivational speaker, whose favourite trick was to get so far inside people's minds that they could walk over hot coals. Smart had read about him in an in-flight magazine and suggested the players do the same.
The motivator spoke to them for more than three hours that afternoon and then they all went outside where quarry workers had used the remains of a huge bonfire to lay a bed of coals. It was supposed to have only been a couple of metres across but the workers got carried away and made it half the length of a cricket pitch.
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Smart did the walk but suffered first-degree burns to both feet, which had to be put straight into a bucket of ice. Bob Hammond, the club president at the time and now an AFL commissioner, who was at the camp, called the fire walk off before any other player had a chance to follow Smart across.
Smart still has a chuckle when he thinks back to the incident, which made the news around the nation and led to the media giving him the nickname "Notso". But he has no regrets. "I still get reminded of it from time to time by the older supporters behind the goals," he said yesterday. "I just think it was part of my upbringing at the Adelaide Football Club. It was a remarkable moment . . . something I will never forget. But I did play in a trial game six days later. So I don't think too much damage was done."
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[Comment: in principle, it should be safe --- but only if you do it correctly. You don't want random quarry workers to set it up.] |
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| Intelligence is the ultimate aphrodisiac. |
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Crows camp crisis: Pyke ignored players wishes with Collective Mind
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/crows-camp-crisis-pyke-ignored-players-wishes-with-collective-mind-20180827-p5003j.html
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Adelaide coach Don Pyke defied the will of his team by reinstating the Collective Mind program only weeks after a player revolt led to the group's sacking.
... [A]fter weeks of anxiety and distress within the playing group over self-styled "mind performance company", senior players met at captain Taylor Walker’s house before the round-five clash with Sydney, insisting that Collective Mind be barred from any further contact with the players.
That was then relayed to coach Don Pyke and head of football Brett Burton.
Following the crisis meeting ..., a relieved group of players then went to the SCG and beat Sydney by 10 points and went onto win four of their next five matches.
But, after beating the Western Bulldogs by 37 points in round nine, Pyke still wasn’t happy ... and brought Collective Mind back to the club.
Pyke claimed that although they were winning, he was unhappy with their concentration lapses within games and reinstated the controversial program without canvassing the support of the entire playing group.
Insiders say that the morale of the playing group collapsed at that moment, such was the fear and anxiety that several of them felt.
That Sunday, the Crows ... were thrashed by Melbourne by 91 points.
It was the first of three losses in four games that all but ended Adelaide’s season.
On the ensuing bye weekend, after being thrashed by Hawthorn by 56 points, the club sacked Collective Mind for the second time, this time publicly.
These revelations follow a bizarre Collective Mind media conference in Melbourne on Monday, given by directors Amon Woulfe and Derek Leddie, which Crows insiders say was littered with contradictions and inaccuracies.
Woulfe claimed that senior administrators and the club doctor “signed off” on the camp before it happened. But in reality Dr Marc Cesana – one of the most respected doctors in the league – had no knowledge of the details of the camp.
Dr Cesana wasn’t even in attendance to begin, but was only called in on the second day when senior player Tom Lynch passed out, fell seriously ill and had to be taken off the camp.
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Over the course of the three-day camp, players felt coerced into sharing some of their darkest secrets and deepest fears, with many breaking down in tears in front of their teammates.
A comedian, who would dress up in different outfits, was brought onto the camp to probe players. In one of his acts, he recited parts of the Richmond theme song. Several players remained scarred by the events of the camp and are continuing to seek counselling.
Woulfe and Leddie claimed on Monday that 25 “experienced” staff were employed for the camp.
When questioned about their credentials, the pair said some staff had “bachelor” degrees in counselling.
Woulfe confirmed that no-one on the camp had a degree in psychology.
"We feel that the camp was great ... we delivered on the brief that was given to us by the Crows," Woulfe said at the MCG on Monday.
"If there was anything that happened on the camp that was not OK, the club would have addressed it straight away back in February.
"If half of what has been said and speculated about was true, we would have been fired in an instant.
"The fact is, they stood there and said publicly 'we're OK with this' ... and they did that for an entire half of a season."
Woulfe and Leddie said they would do the same thing all over again ...
Adelaide development coach Heath Younie, who coached the SANFL side last season and is part of the Crows’ selection committee, has also emerged as a key figure in the camp debacle.
... Younie took part in a similar camp run by Collective Mind 12 months earlier, and returned to the club to tell people that it changed his life.
Adelaide players had their Mad Monday celebrations on Monday. Many said they were left shattered by the media conference held by Collective Mind only hours earlier.
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Adelaide's 'extraordinary press conference' on Footy Classified:
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/clip-cjlc8i74d002v0hozxkm0vwqj
Players asked to wear blindfolds.
Josh Francou put his concerns in writing & is leaving the club for GC.
Suggestions players tied up with ropes...
Caroline on the AFL: "I don't think that you necessarily need a complaint to investigate something."
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Bond seeks meeting with AFL over 'pseudo-psychologists'
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/bond-seeks-meeting-with-afl-over-pseudo-psychologists-20180828-p50078.html
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One of Australia’s leading sports psychologists has revealed he’s been in to see AFL footy boss Steve Hocking to voice his concerns over clubs using “pseudo-psychologists”.
Jeff Bond, OAM, said the psychology community had become increasingly worried about the amount of unqualified people working in their industry through the vehicle of professional sport.
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“This issue of unqualified pseudo-psychologists operating in the physchological space has been around for all of the 40-odd years that I've been involved in it,” Bond continued.
“It’s been a concern of mine for a long time … that people who aren’t properly qualified can actually cause significant psychological damage. Upsetting people’s sense of wellbeing and in some cases leading to mental health issues.”
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| So glad we finally woke up and told Leading Teams to phuck off. I don't think it's any coincidence that their departure from our club coincided with a dramatic improvement in our club culture. |
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This is incredible stuff, and really puts that (previously) seemingly inexplicable performance against Melbourne into context. Let's not forget that many of these players, only a couple of years ago, had to cope with the traumatic circumstances surrounding Phil Walsh's death, and now it seems they've been forced into a camp run by quacks and practising military-style emotional abuse without any relevant qualification.
Can't see how Pyke or other senior club figures can keep their jobs in light of this.
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^ Incidentally, Phil Walsh's widow was quoted in the media condemning what has happened. [Update: I've found the article. I'll quote it in a separate comment.]
If I were in charge of Adelaide, Burton would be gone for sure and Pyke at best in grave danger. |
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Walsh widow hits out at Crows' camp
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/walsh-widow-hits-out-at-crows-camp-20180625-p4znly.html
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Meredith Gibbs made the comments on Facebook, responding to a post from Port Adelaide premiership player and former captain Dom Cassisi.
Cassisi, who played under Walsh when he was a senior assistant at Port Adelaide, took to Facebook to voice his concerns about the failed camp. “The purpose behind the Crows’ camp baffles me,” Cassisi stated.
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‘‘Their own management have totally disrespected the resilience and close bond they forged after such a tough time.’’
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Ms Gibbs then made her thoughts clear. ‘‘Devastated and angry that those involved are ignorant of the culture of our First Nations people, it would make my husband Phil Walsh deeply upset,’’ she wrote.
Cassisi also referred to his own experience by talking about former teammate John McCarthy, who died in Las Vegas in 2012 when Cassisi was captain.
"The bond we forced at PAFC after losing J-Mac is hard to described but it a rare feeling of such closeness and care.”
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'And Walker has confirmed the departures of assistant coaches Josh Francou, after serving just one year of a three-year contract, and Tate Kaesler.
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Francou joined the Crows for this season after a stint as a Sydney assistant coach but also won't fulfil his contract.
But Walker believed speculation Francou would join Gold Coast was incorrect.
"He has just decided that coaching isn't for him any more, I'm told he's going back to teaching ... that is the reason he's not honouring his three years," Walker said.
But Kaesler was joining the coaching staff of Gold Coast as an assistant, he said.'
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-29/tex-wants-answers-from-unhappy-mcgovern
[Quick comment: If Francou has really decided "coaching isn't for him" one year into a three-year contract, is that not perhaps even more damning of Adelaide FC?] |
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Extraordinary stuff, I suspect any decent review would see bigger players (coaching, management) moved on or walk during the off season.
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Collective Mind, ironic really, which one? The AFL,the Board of a club, the administration, the players, all of the above? Seems more like a declaration of ignorance actually. Pretty obvious that the problem was a fundamental lack of respect for professionalism. Proper governance arrangements at the Crows would have seen the CM company's proposed programme critically evaluated by independent professionals, who would have immediately identified the lack of suitably qualified personnel. That is the real collective mind concept ensuring any project has all the intellectual resources required. Not just norming and forming a bunch of people to a crack pot theory of behaviour. A project of that scale would need to be lead by a senior psychologist practitioner and some supporting registered psychologists..
Before you can call yourself a Clinical Psychologist you need a four year degree 3 plus honours then a Masters degree with an independently assessed thesis and a total of two and in many cases four years supervision, assessment for registration and serious ongoing professional education to maintain registration, subject to supervision by a Government body that can take your registration away. Because you can't let people mess with other peoples heads without it being professionally regulated. None of that in sight for the Crows. How did the Board get to where they are? Incredible not doing a proper risk analysis which would have prevented them throwing their season away.
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Showdown still leaves issues unresolved after Adelaide's wasted season
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/showdown-still-leaves-issues-unresolved-after-adelaide-s-wasted-season-20180831-p500zr.html
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Taylor Walker, Rory Sloane, Tom Lynch, Matt Crouch and Josh Jenkins were among the group who confronted Pyke, football boss Brett Burton and chief executive Andrew Fagan...
Another football staffer in the gun was development coach Heath Younie, who approved the Mankind Project after personally testing out its methods over several days, at Burton’s request.
It is not known whether the senior players received an apology but what is confirmed is that Pyke and his bosses pleaded with the on-field leaders to maintain the faith and continue to place their trust in the football program. ...
The Crows have continued to dig holes for themselves since the damage - both direct and collateral — from the camp was first revealed at the start of April. The practitioners and some of their methods were brought back to the club in May by Pyke in a move that provoked a meeting of senior on-field leaders at Walker’s house and, at the time, eroded some of the players' faith in their coach.
After the subsequent confrontation, Collective Mind parted ways with the Crows but not without a contractual pay-out. What followed was a clumsy media conference in June in which Burton failed to take responsibility for introducing the consultants and adopted denial mode while both he and Pyke admitted the camp had failed.
The club even now refuses to unconditionally admit the folly of this decision, still insisting some players relished the experience. Some allegations of what took place are weird. Some are horrifying. Officials have repeatedly denied certain bizarre behaviours and rituals took place but refuse to respond to direct questions about others.
They defend the lack of psychological qualifications endowed upon any of the Collective Mind practitioners, saying it was not a psychological camp. This despite the pall the aftermath of the camp cast on some players and their families and the divide it created among teammates on racial grounds.
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Not only has departing assistant coach Josh Francou, who reportedly put his concerns regarding the camp in writing to his superiors, remained deeply unimpressed by what took place, but a lengthy report was penned by Adelaide’s chief medical officer Dr Marc Cesana.
Dr Cesana was called to the southern Queensland summer camp on day two after Tom Lynch collapsed. Cesana ruled that Lynch be sent home.
Another player, Kyle Hartigan, who claims he suffered damaging cuts to his knees as a result of what took place and missed games as a result, is in talks with the club regarding his contractual match-trigger clauses.
Adelaide welfare boss Emma Barr, who was singled out by Walker for her outstanding pastoral care following the death of coach Phil Walsh, was also marginalised and kept away from the camp. There seems little doubt the club has failed in its duty of care to its players in this case.
Allegations that Cesana’s report was presented to Burton but took too long to reach chief executive Fagan or the board were met with a ''no comment’' this week. The AFL’s investigation team looked into the camp on the basis of media reports but that inquiry, too, appears manifestly inadequate given they were not even aware of a medical report by the club doctor.
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