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Presti35 Virgo

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:18 pm
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So here we are after the AFL/VFL teams have been named:

(As pointed out, the list on Collingwoods site and on the AFL site/app are slightly different. I've always gone with whats on the AFL site/app).

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ONE WEEK: (Will be tests next week)
F. Appleby (Hamstring)
T. Goldsack (Back)
J. Howe (Leg) Please be back soon Howie!

2 - 3 WEEKS:
D. Moore (Hamstring)

4 - 5 WEEKS:
A. Treloar (Hamstring) Could be earlier according to different media outlets.

SEASON:
T. Broomhead (Leg)
L. Dunn (Knee)
K. Kirby (Heart)
M. Scharenberg (Knee)
D. Wells (Foot)
J. Elliott (Hamstring)
B. Reid (Calf)


Hopefully by this time next week, we'll have Appleby, Goldsack and Howe all playing at some level, with an eye on Treloar and Moore for September action.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:34 pm
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http://aflnation.com.au/2018/08/17/i-felt-like-a-80-90-year-old-howe-opens-up-on-corkie/
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:03 pm
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Collingwood's Adam Treloar given the green light by surgeon

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-s-adam-treloar-given-the-green-light-by-surgeon-20180821-p4zywb.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:13 pm
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Really good news. Would he really be eligible to play VFL finals? No minimum games required?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:15 pm
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David wrote:
Really good news. Would he really be eligible to play VFL finals? No minimum games required?


http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=84342

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:50 pm
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How knee double trouble mystifies the medicos

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/how-knee-double-trouble-mystifies-the-medicos
Aug 2, 2018

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The fact remains; the risk of an ACL injury in the same knee is increased if you've done it before and return to the same sport – but by how much?

For Melbourne's Jake Lever, who tore his left ACL for the second time in June, the inflated risk of graft failure – predominantly hamstring or patella tendon these days – was believed to be from 15 to 25 per cent.
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Leading sports medico Dr Peter Larkins says there's evidence to suggest an AFL player, should the return to the same elite level post-surgery, is five to seven times more likely to pop his "good" ACL than before the first injury.
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"There's a strength difference, and people who have had an ACL have really got to work hard on their other leg as well as the injured leg when they're doing their rehab, or the other one becomes more prone.

"It's something to do with the motor control in the brain – if you've had an injury, the nerve supply to the muscles gets affected.

"I think also psychologically players become a little bit protective of the injured one and they get the non-injured one to do a bit more work."
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Larkins said there were also theories suggesting the design and shape of a person's knee could contribute to ACL failure on both sides, as well as whether a relative has history with the same injury.
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Potter also said there wasn't much clubs weren't already doing to help protect their players' ACLs, reconstructed or otherwise.

"Most clubs in their pre-season and throughout the year would have their players go through a series of exercises regularly which helps to assist with jumping and landing in order to maintain the strength of their muscles around the knee," he said.

"It starts with the hips and pelvis and going down to the muscles around the knee, the lower leg and the ankles, all to provide the best support for the knee to help prevent that.

"All clubs would have that sort of program incorporated in their regular gym work and regular training.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm
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Howe, Treloar train strongly ahead of Eagles final

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/howe-treloar-train-strongly-ahead-of-eagles-final-20180827-p5000p.html

"Treloar has been given full medical clearance to resume full training, and has lifted his intensity with dodging and weaving work. ...

The Pies will play a VFL elimination final against Essendon on Sunday, and he could be eased back into action there. They will also have to weigh up whether a flight to Perth would have any impact on his hamstrings and whether it's best to wait until the second or third week of the finals for his return."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:43 pm
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What a H & A season its been. Seemed like every second week we were down rotations from very early on in crucial games. The way it unfolded was brutal...

Rd 1 - Josh Smith - hammy LOSS to Hawks 34 points
- Ben Crocker - back
- Darcy Moore - achillies

Rd 2 - Broomhead - leg Loss to GWS 16 points
Moore - hammy


Rd 6 - Aish - knee Loss to Richmond 43 points
Reid - achillies
Maynard - ankle
Langdon - soreness

Rd 7 - Pendles - ankle

Rd 8 - Moore - hammy Loss to Cats 21 points
- Philips - concussion

Rd 9 - Faz - ankle

Rd 10 - Varcoe - hammy

Rd 11 - Sidey - cork

Rd 12 - Wells - foot

Rd 14 - Treloar - Double hammy
- Greenwood - concussion

Rd 15 - Dunn - knee

Rd 16 - Appleby - hammy
- WHE - knee

Rd 17 - Cox - hammy Loss to WCE 35 points
- Langdon - knee
- Moore - finger
- Sier - Corkie

Rd 18 - JDG - bone
- Moore - hammy

Rd 19 - Howe - concussion/corkie Loss to Rich 28 points
- Shaz - knee

Rd 20 - Moore - hammy Loss to Swans 2 points

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:21 am
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May need to update this thread with finals, potentially:
QF- Pendles- viral menigitis
Travis Varcoe- bereavement

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:24 pm
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The knee Feller: plenty of mystery remains for footy's ACL expert

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-knee-feller-plenty-of-mystery-remains-for-acl-expert-20180831-p5011p.html

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The player collapses to the ground and grabs at the leg. They wrap their hands across the front of the leg just below the knee and pull backwards as though to hold the leg together.

That is the sign, the tell, that the player has torn their anterior cruciate ligament.

It is not scientifically proven but Julian Feller reckons it is the most consistent sign in sports medicine. It is the player reacting to the sensation that their tibia is falling away from them and they reflexively grab the leg, even briefly, to hold it together.
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“There is some evidence about the shape of the knee at the top of the tibia, it has got a slope on it and if that slope is higher, that might be a risk factor. You can see it on X-ray but are you going to go and change it? It’s a massive operation to go and change the slope of a knee,” Feller said.

There is no risk category for doing a first ACL, but once you have done one, you enter a new risk category.

“If you are under 20 when you have your first reconstruction, your risk [of another] goes up. If you are under 18 it really goes up that you will have another injury to the same knee, or the other knee,” Feller said.

“If you are a [young] male you have got a really high risk of further ACL injury.

“Beyond that it’s hard to know. Family history is probably a risk factor but I don’t know what that means. You could just come from a family that plays active sport or is there some genetic predisposition?

“There are a lot of strong opinions around but not a lot of evidence.”

It is doubtful there is much that can be done to prevent it. There are exercises that assist in balance and landing techniques, but typically in the AFL the injury occurs not when landing but when cutting sideways.

There is a school of thought that you can prevent or limit the exposure to knee injury by strengthening the muscles around the knee. There might be truth in this but you while you can strengthen a muscle, you cannot strengthen a ligament.

Typically to reconstruct a knee the surgeon takes a graft of a tendon from elsewhere and replaces the anterior cruciate ligament. Historically, tendon from the patella was used, then from the hamstring and now increasingly from the quadriceps.

Quadriceps tendons allow a bigger graft and when players return to playing they tend not to tear their quadriceps at the rate they do their donor hamstrings. Quadriceps also tend to accelerate the early stages of the rehabilitation phase.
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Most times you can get a bigger graft from the quads. Lynden Dunn, I said afterwards, ‘You have the biggest graft I have ever taken out of quads’.

“You certainly can get a bigger graft. I think it is a good graft but I wouldn’t go pushing it as better just yet.”

There has also been a swing back to an additional procedure, called a lateral tenodesis, performed to the outside of the knee during a reconstruction. It further tightens and strengthens the knee but there was a thought it restricted lateral movement slightly and so it gradually phased out.

“The lateral tenodesis will tighten as the knee twists a little bit before the ACL tightens so it takes some of the load off the ACL,” Feller explained.
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He did the additional lateral tenodesis on Scharenberg given his history.
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“The re-injury rate [of LARS] is really high, like about 60 per cent, and that is too high,” Feller said.
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In English Premier League soccer, players return after six to eight months. In the NFL, it is shorter again.
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“One of our PhD students has looked at ACL injuries over a 13 or 15-year period and it does seem the re-injury rate is higher in AFL than other sports,” Feller said.

“Where the return-to-sport rate is about the same, the rate of re-injury is higher.

“It is interesting why in some sports in some countries it is assumed you will get back and play at six months whereas in Australia traditionally it has been 12 months."
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Feller attended a conference in the US where they asked what the re-injury rate was for his footballers returning to play three months after surgery. It was zero – AFL players don’t return after three months. But NFL players do, often back on the field after three and five months.

“When we compare our AFL stats of re-injury, they are higher than other sports where they are going back to sport earlier. AFL is a really tough sport for ACLs.”

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:33 am
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TEST:
J. Howe (Leg) (Will play you'd think)
M. Lynch (Ankle)
A. Treloar (Hamstring)

1-2 WEEKS:
D. Moore (Hamstring)
B. Reid (Calf)

SEASON:
T. Broomhead (Leg)
L. Dunn (Knee)
K. Kirby (Heart)
M. Scharenberg (Knee)
D. Wells (Foot)
J. Elliott (Hamstring)


Reid was listed as season last time. Now he's 1-2. Question Question

Howe should be named, we'll see with Treloar. If we can beat WCE, then we'll have everyone fit to choose from, other than those listed as season, for the prelim.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:36 pm
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Even before selection, the media speculation was that the club thinks it's better to play Treloar this week. It does make sense that they consider playing him week 1 and resting him in week 2, regardless of whether the team wins, hoping that there is a week 3 for him. Playing weeks 1 and 3, rather than 2 and 3, sounds quite appealing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:58 pm
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Since there is no VFL game, I wonder if all 4 emergencies will fly to Perth?

It's a shame that we got booted out in the VFL.

If we can just get past WCE, we could have both Reid and Moore in selection talk for the prelim.

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If these three ins help get job done and get thru ok may not need Reid / Moore
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BazBoy wrote:
If these three ins help get job done and get thru ok may not need Reid / Moore


Moore is the only one I'd love to have back, but his injury record this year makes him a big, big risk.
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