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Donny 
Formerly known as MAGFAN8.
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Location: Toonumbar NSW Australia
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| K wrote: | | Doc63 wrote: | ...
As far as I'm concerned, batsmen have had it too easy for too long. Most pitches are roads, and with the bats they use these days, you can top edge a 6 at the MCG.
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Yes, I agree entirely on this. (I can add that the top-edged 6 would clear the fence easily, even though nowadays it merely needs to clear the boundary rope, which is way too far in to be simply a matter of fielder safety. I can furthermore add that at some grounds even outside edges are flying for 6.) As I've claimed previously, I fear that the state of pitches is an existential threat to the game. I think it has also contributed significantly to the ball-tampering problem. |
It's an exaggeration to say 'outside edges' fly for 6. No, they don't. Not the straight bat outside edges. However, an attempted cut can top edge over the boundary. That's a horizontal bat shot, hitting the same outside edge.
To balance the argument, re. bat size, wickets are now falling to a slightly mistimed forward prod, which either flies to mid on (watch the replay of de Kock's dismissal, today) mid off or the bowler - which didn't happen as much, before these meatier bats appeared.
K, I think you may be confusing boundary lines for women's cricket with the same for the men.
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I was thinking specifically about that T20 run orgy in NZ. Granted, a "drive" in T20 is hardly executed with a perfectly straight bat, but it was surely much closer to "drive" than to "cut". (Hence, my previous approval of Short and Maxwell for their seeming ability to play real cricket strokes, even if the latter often seems to prefer not to.)
Update: it seems this outside-edge 6 was actually from Short. If there's video footage somewhere, maybe we can review exactly how straight his bat was in this drive. |
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Donny
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| Donny wrote: | Re. The Culture.
AB, Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting. Not sure about Taylor.
That's where to start looking, folks. |
"Mental disintegration' anyone ?
AB began the 'tougher than Ian Chappell' aproach when, as skipper, he simply got pissed off with losing and the first thing he changed was having a beer with the other team, after a day's play. He sent the signal to other teams that, at least for the Aussies, if you think that's unfriendly, watch us in the field !
This let to Tugga's 'Mental disintegration' of other teams, particularly individual batsmen. I reckon because ....
Damn. Gotta go. Will add, later
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Update: it seems this outside-edge 6 was actually from Short. If there's video footage somewhere, maybe we can review exactly how straight his bat was in this drive. |
https://www.cricket.com.au/video/every-six-hit-new-zealand-australia-32-equals-record-guptil-munro-warner-short-lynn-maxwell-finch/2018-02-16
Start around 0:47. If you pause it at just the right spot (some unknown fraction of a second after 0:48 ), you'll be able to see the point of contact and angle of the bat at that moment. Another source, such as the uncut footage, may be required for the exact trajectory of the ball after it leaves the bat. (You can see the blur of the ball leaving the bat and then it disappears. The aftermath is cut out completely.) |
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luvdids 
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| Careful K, you don't want to disagree with the principal. |
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https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/04/03/11/57/aca-defend-culture-of-australian-cricket
ACA urging CA to review their decision.
The CA punishments definitely disproportionate to other instances of ball tampering.
Being banned from even state cricket is ridiculous, this is their livelihood, how can they go back in 12 months without having played a decent game? (Premier cricket, with all due respect to the players, is clearly not in the same league) |
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A couple of days earlier...
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/push-for-smith-and-warner-bans-from-domestic-cricket-to-be-eased-20180401-p4z7bs.html
[1 April 2018 — 9:56pm]
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Both Smith and Warner have assembled high-powered legal teams as they weigh up whether to contest the sanctions handed to them by Cricket Australia over the Cape Town ball tampering scandal and the principal grievance is with the severity of the penalties, which they believe are excessive.
Warner's group of advisors includes his manager, James Henderson, Melbourne-based QC Matt Connock and one other silk, a psychologist and a financial advisor, who is crunching the numbers on a range of scenarios for the ousted opener.
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"(Coming back to cricket is) going to be hard for all of them," Chappell said on Channel 9's Sports Sunday. "Because to be a top-class sporting person, you've got to have a lot of confidence in your own ability … that's going to be severely eroded as a player."
Smith's manager, Warren Craig, could not be reached on Sunday and when contacted Warner's representative, Henderson, said only "there is a team of advisers assisting with his consideration".
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CA also maintains that chairman David Peever spent a lot of time with the Warners in Cape Town and that the services of Australian team psychologist Michael Lloyd were offered. CA has since offered for NSW-based psychologist Justine Whipper to help the Warners.
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Dave The Man 
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| luvdids wrote: | https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/04/03/11/57/aca-defend-culture-of-australian-cricket
ACA urging CA to review their decision.
The CA punishments definitely disproportionate to other instances of ball tampering.
Being banned from even state cricket is ridiculous, this is their livelihood, how can they go back in 12 months without having played a decent game? (Premier cricket, with all due respect to the players, is clearly not in the same league) |
Why would they Listen to such a Gutter Trash and Pathetic Show like Current Affair?
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | luvdids wrote: | https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/04/03/11/57/aca-defend-culture-of-australian-cricket
ACA urging CA to review their decision.
The CA punishments definitely disproportionate to other instances of ball tampering.
Being banned from even state cricket is ridiculous, this is their livelihood, how can they go back in 12 months without having played a decent game? (Premier cricket, with all due respect to the players, is clearly not in the same league) |
Why would they Listen to such a Gutter Trash and Pathetic Show like Current Affair? |
At least read the article before commenting Dave, ACA stands for more than just A Current Affair.  |
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Donny
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Smith and Bancroft both elected not to appeal.
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| A. Wu (see link above) wrote: | ...
Exiled captain Smith made good his vow to take full responsibility for his actions on Wednesday, shocking the governing body with the timing of his announcement. Opener Bancroft followed suit just over two hours later.
It was unclear on Wednesday night what action Warner would take, but it is understood he had earlier in the day been considering applying for an extension to consider his position.
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CA was surprised when they learnt of Smith's decision, having not expected to hear back from players until Thursday.
By choosing not to contest the severity of the ban, Smith has given himself every chance to win back the support of the public...
The move will also improve any hopes Smith has of regaining the captaincy...
His prospects of returning to the helm are "conditional on acceptance by fans and the public, form and authority among the playing group", CA said last week when imposing the sanctions.
A day after the players union urged CA to soften their bans, Smith, who had hired CA's former head of legal Dean Kino as part of his advisory team, took to social media to outline why he would not take the matter further.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/warner-won-t-challenge-cricket-australia-ban-20180405-p4z7yy.html
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David Warner has accepted Cricket Australia's ban for his role in the ball-tampering crisis, sparing the governing body of a potentially damaging hearing.
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His announcement came just over an hour before the 5pm deadline set by CA. Warner's decision follows that of former captain Steve Smith and opener Cameron Bancroft, who said on Wednesday they would not take their cases to a hearing.
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The focus now turns to CA's review into the culture of the national men's team. The review will also look at the board and management of the organisation.
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