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stui magpie 

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:38 am
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^

Strippers are a good example, in reputable clubs anyway. They need to be attractive and athletic to attract money, but if you go the grope security will bounce you out on your head. Look but don't touch.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:45 pm
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I hate that things like grid and dart girls are losing their jobs. Why shouldn't attractive women make some easy money just standing around? Ugly beasts who protest that kind of stuff are just jealous.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:51 pm
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^ I have nothing against such people, and totally understand them trying to do their best in the system they’re in. But you don’t exactly have to be a militant feminist to want to see stuff like that left behind – and anyway, I expect in most cases it’s the event managers themselves wanting to modernise their image rather than external forces twisting their arms.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:03 pm
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Wokko wrote:
I hate that things like grid and dart girls are losing their jobs. Why shouldn't attractive women make some easy money just standing around? Ugly beasts who protest that kind of stuff are just jealous.


Yeah for sure!

There's a market for it, there always will be. Who doesn't like seeing a hot chick looking sizzling hot Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:06 pm
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Why did the cross the road?
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stui magpie 

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:32 pm
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Well we're doing something right here.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-heads-the-list-of-the-10-safest-countries-for-a-woman-2018-1

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:00 pm
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^ While I think that’s likely not far from the truth, their methodology means one should take these claims with a grain of salt. Incidence and reportage don’t necessarily align, and I think can even sometimes have an inverse correlation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:24 am
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Well women aren't going to report rapes or assaults in Islamic countries where they get charged with adultery unless 3 males testify for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:52 pm
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^ Precisely! Whereas in Sweden you can get charged with rape for lying about wearing a condom. Always important to be aware of this stuff when reading crime stats.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:14 pm
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The only crime stats that can be relied upon to provide comparability across major countries or historic periods are grievous bodily harm + manslaughter + murder.

Murder rates alone tell you little, because modern surgical and response techniques mean that many cases (esp knife crime) which would have been murder thirty years ago now fall back into GBH. Rape has been politicised to such an extent that comparisons are misleading.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:10 pm
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http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/star-reveals-shocking-secret-reason-classic-sitcom-the-wonder-years-was-axed/news-story/6f36679001f1a3ec860b4543784c9948

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:05 pm
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I’m confused – is the claim that the allegations didn’t occur, or did but were too minor to take seriously? The article doesn’t make that clear. I could understand the latter view, but obviously there is a reason why sexual comments in the workplace can be treated as harassment. On the other hand, if the claim is that they were made up, how would anyone but the two people in question know that? ‘Wonderful and sweet’ 16-year-olds can be guilty of sexual harassment too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:11 pm
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Seemed clear to me.

Allegations were made, show was cancelled and complainant was paid off, claim being made is that the allegations were BS.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:22 pm
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If so, a co-actor simply couldn’t know that, unless she has clear evidence to the contrary. Obviously she liked this kid a lot and believed his word over the crew member’s, but that doesn’t give us reason to believe it didn’t happen. One thing I agree with her on though is that settlements are bad news and tend to imply guilt; much better for these things to be examined in a court of law.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:49 pm
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It depends on the nature of the allegations whether a co actor could reasonably know for sure what happened.

Why does someone who was there and says nothing happened have less credibility than someone who was there and says 'Me Too"?

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