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watt price tully 
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| Wokko wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: |
Facts are always open to interpretation. |
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Wrong: Context is everything. This is ptetty basic. It's how facts are used and abused. Facts never speak for themselves.
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watt price tully
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| Mugwump wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: |
Facts are always open to interpretation. |
That comment might still be written above the office door of Pravda. Once you think that, anything becomes possible. |
Amazing how you are so blinded by your own ideology that you blame one side and simpoly cannot see youself as a participant in interpreting facts.
Utterly bizarre.
The facts of Sudanese crime exists in a context; The interpretation of facts means that facts do not speak for themselves. Facts only have meaning when located in a context.
Rashamon is the classic exemplar: 1 event - rape / murder (fact) intepreted differently by different actors.
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| Yes. But its kind of touching seeing 1830 rush back in, trying to work out where it left its epistemology. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: |
Facts are always open to interpretation. |
That comment might still be written above the office door of Pravda. Once you think that, anything becomes possible. |
Amazing how you are so blinded by your own ideology that you blame one side and simpoly cannot see youself as a participant in interpreting facts.
Utterly bizarre.
The facts of Sudanese crime exists in a context; The interpretation of facts means that facts do not speak for themselves. Facts only have meaning when located in a context.
Rashamon is the classic exemplar: 1 event - rape / murder (fact) intepreted differently by different actors. |
So lets ask again : do you deny that Sudanese youth are vastly over represented in violent crime statistics, and that most crime affects the poor ? The context governing th facts here might include definitions of Sudanese, violent crime, etc. It might include an understanding of how the data is collected and presented. But I have heard nothing to make me question the data.
If you mean that context should influence ones policy response to this, well, of course. But it certainly does not affect the facts.
If I am blinded by my ideology, please describe where I have written anything untrue. My ideology, such as it is, is a kind of broad Burkean Conservatism which leads me to accept some things that reside on the Right, and some on the Left. It is a strange kind of blindness which does that. Your ideology seems, on the evidence, to be enchained to every predictable relic of bien-pensant socialism.
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| When? According to the Laws of Physics, yes. |
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Mugwump
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Yes. But its kind of touching seeing 1830 rush back in, trying to work out where it left its epistemology. |
Its a big word. Now you could try using it in a sentence that makes sense.
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Pies4shaw
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Mugwump
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Perhaps I can help you. Epistemology essay question 101 : how can I know, via inescapable inference, that a comment on a video which immediately states that it is about Muslim immigration to South Korea relates to black people ? Once youve got your arms around that, youll be good to go on to the (slightly more challenging) next module.
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David 
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| What is on why how we discuss and respond to this issue is important
httpwww dotabcdot netdot aunews2018-07-28lack-of-perspective-on-so-called-african-crime10044156 like on why how we discuss and respond to this issue is important
httpwww dotabcdot netdot aunews2018-07-28lack-of-perspective-on-so-called-african-crime10044156. |
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Pies4shaw
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Like Ive said before, you just cant trust White people. 71% of all crime? Send them back where their grandparents came from. |
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thesoretoothsayer
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71% is not for white people. It's for country of birth = Australia.
That you equate Australian-born with "white" is, dare I say it, bigoted. |
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thesoretoothsayer
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"He says Australia should have open debates about multiculturalism, immigration and crime."
"He proposed that reason and fact should be the basis of any conversation or debate on this issue..."
No arguments from me. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Like Ive said before, you just cant trust White people. 71% of all crime? Send them back where their grandparents came from. |
Interesting.
So people born in Australia make up 71% of the population and account for 71% of all crime. Sounds fair.
Sudanese born people make up 0.1% of Victoria's population and account for 1% of all crime.
I'd call that an over representation
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