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Skids 
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And now he's pulled out of the show.
I wonder if it will be cancelled all together? I'll be seeking a refund.
It's funny how an accused can be named in this circumstance, yet a rock spider or someone under 18 whos committed an atrocious crime can maintain anonymity 
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swoop42 
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| David wrote: | Well said, Wokko. The article paints a much more disturbing, and compelling picture than the OP imho. And I say that as someone who also has no time for trial-by-media.
My only concern is that there doesn’t seem to be much sense of proportion when considering the claims themselves, i.e. people hear ‘sex crime’ (particularly if it involves any sort of pattern of behaviour), and automatically mentally place the accusee in the same pile of villains as every other abuser. I suspect this wouldn’t be the case with an actor with a history of, say, physical assaults or some other crime.
But that in no way means that victims shouldn’t be telling their stories, or that media organisations shouldn’t be reporting them – indeed, the culture of silence around this behaviour for so long is really what has enabled it to flourish. We need to be encouraging, not discouraging, those disclosures; and when those stories emerge, our responsibility as a society is to respond proportionately. Better that we hear stories that lie in the grey area between sex crime and normal behaviour (and assess them as such) than those with real stories of harassment and assault be silenced. |
I agree with this.
Look at the case involving that ACA reporter.
Turns out his crime was only engaging in fantasy talk with another adult.
Now it's your right not to like what he was discussing but to me if you believe in free speech then being prosecuted by the thought Police is a dangerous slippery slope.
Private discussions between people that might outrage others shouldn't be a target for the police just because the technology exists to produce a digital record when other extreme view points are being discussed daily in a privacy of a living room between individuals without notice by the wider public.
Given the circumstances I don't think he should have had any case to answer to begin with given his only crime was a thought process others found abhorrent.
That alone shouldn't be a crime in itself.
After all the hoopla with the ACA reporter turns out the judge thought the crime was only worth a 3 year good behaviour bond and a fine.
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David 
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That was a strange case, certainly. The news reports don't quite make it clear what he actually did, apart from admitting an interest in underage boys.
https://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/acas-tracy-grimshaw-responds-to-ben-mccormacks-sen/3284123/
| Quote: | He said the facts in the McCormack case were quite different to the cases of similar charges that normally came to court. In his judgment he said it was clear the worst aspects of child porn cases were "absent" in McCormack's case
"There was no transmission of pictures or images of child pornography ... it does not include pictures of actual child victims. There was no attempt to sexually exploit children or grooming of any child to partake in child pornography."
The Crown referred to the content of the conversations and also of a video McCormack sent to the man of him masturbating as proof of the "objective seriousness of the offences" and dismissed the defence of fantasy talk as "irrelevant".
But Judge Conlon said the "overwhelming inference that I drew was that these conversations were examples of fantasising about young male persons."
"The fact that this offender's communications were the product of fantasy and imaginings is just one of the many factors a court is entitled to consider in assessing the seriousness of the offending conduct." |
If he encouraged other people to commit sexual abuse, that would be a genuine (if, in this realm, relatively minor) offence. But I haven't seen any suggestion that that occurred.
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Wokko 
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Skids
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There's going to be a lot of empty seats.... a class action to get our money back perhaps?
Rocky Horror Show not offering refunds despite punters criticising Craig McLachlan's departure
A BASS spokesperson said the ticket outlet operated "in accordance with the Ticketing Code of Practice"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-09/rocky-horror-show-to-continue-with-adam-rennie/9313952
Wankers! 
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stui magpie 
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Interesting that, as far as I can see, all the allegations relate to the 2014 rocky horror show tour.
None from prior tours, none from after and none from any of the other work he's done. hardly a systematic pattern emerging.
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Wokko
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Skids
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And............. It's James Franco!!
Come on down!!!!
Has been denied a movie role due to a twitter allegation....
James Franco is confused about why women are accusing him of harassment
"The things I heard that were on Twitter are not accurate, but I completely support people coming out and being able to have a voice, because they didn’t have a voice for so long,” Franco told Colbert
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/59wkdk/james-franco-is-confused-about-why-women-are-accusing-him-of-harassment
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And now cricketers for having a smoke of a perfectly legal product whilst relaxing. What are these wankers trying to achieve?
Going to be boring when the only actors in movies will be gay. If I am going to watch an all girl movie I will not have any fat middle aged rich bitches in them.
This will lead us up a path not seen since the reds under the beds scares of the 1950s. We lost a talent over that. Maybe producers should fight back by only employing fat ugly women. I can see this becoming "he looked at me in the lift " in general society and have perfectly innocent people being denied promotion or moved sideways . Pubs will have to start banning patrons from pubs etc for fear of litigation. "he called me love"
The Iron Shiek and Dane Swan should be the only ones allowed twitter.
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David
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Have to say, the allegation of being paid too little to do a nude scene in a film is pretty shrug-worthy, as these things go...
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One of the many problems with the technology we have today is that things are very over-generalized. An issue is identified, such as sexual harassment by sleazebags, and then a hundred other cases are brought to light, some severe and nasty, some frivolous or trivial. Each case has context, shades of understanding and nuance. These are completely lost, however, when the case concerned is absorbed into the black hole of the general “issue” by the twittermob. We are overexposed, and swamped with things competing for our feelings, so first we lose interest in facts. Then we lose the art of discriminating and judging truth itself, let alone the relative importance of things.
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I agree – it almost seems that the question has become “Is [insert person’s name] a villain, or not?”. If the answer is “yes” – and it seems that all allegations give that answer, no matter their extremity – then it seems they must be run out of town, have their creative projects cancelled and be removed from public life.
In some cases, this is a reasonably appropriate response: Weinstein, whose exploitation and manipulation was inextricably tied up in his working methods as a producer, should never work in the industry again. But with all the others, the brutal machine of monetised public image has done its work, making it impossible to consider these cases with any nuance: all perpetrators carry the risk of harming box-office returns (as if we go to the cinemas to watch films designed and performed only by the most unimpeachable human beings; as if ‘goodness’ has anything to do with art), and all must be erased. We’ve seen this before with the painting-over of Rolf Harris on murals and the like, and now we see it with the Stalinist removal of actors from in-production films, and so on.
What they want to protect us from (as a by-product of their desire to protect themselves from insufficient profits) is the moment of discomfort when we see a perpetrator (of some kind) on the screen, look into his eyes and recognise someone who has hurt people. Discomfort may not be profitable, but I can’t help but think it would be healthy for us to experience a good deal more of it in the movie theatre. Perhaps, in a roundabout way, it might even teach us a bit of empathy. It’s much easier, after all, to despise the shadow forced to live in a leper colony.
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Skids
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Suspected 9/11 attackers claimed that physical groin searches at Guantanamo Bay were “sexual harassment” as their long-running legal case enters a new year.
Khalid Sheik Mohammed is accused with four others of planning the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, with prosecutors saying that they trained the 19 hijackers.
Mohammed was captured in a raid in Pakistan in 2003, held and tortured at a secret CIA prison and then transferred in 2006 to Guantanamo Bay, where there are still years of expected wait before his case reaches trial.
“We be under sexual harassment today for search in being here,” he said in court on Monday, according to a Miami Herald report from the notorious military prison in Cuba.
Mattis tells troops he evaded assassination attempt in Iraq
The other four suspected attackers, Walid bin Attash, Ammar al Baluchi, Mustafa al Hawsawi and Ramzi bin al Shibh, reportedly agreed with Mohammed's claim using similar language.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspected-9-11-plotters-groin-searches-sexual-harassment-article-1.3748378
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^ Why is that funny? Would you like to be tortured, endure cavity searches and the like? The only reason we don’t call it sexual assault is because the perpetrator is wearing a uniform and legally permitted to do it; the psychological impact is likely more or less the same.
| Quote: | | One of the detainees, Hawsawi, also needed reconstructive surgery after he was subject to what the 2014 Senate report on CIA torture called “rectal rehydration,” which his lawyer calls sodomy, while at a black site. |
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Firstly isthere proof the torture occurred? And that the damage was done caused by it? Because that certainly doesn’t sound like a necessary or ok method of obtaining information.
As for cavity searches, if there is enough suspicion of guilt to warrant the search, then what can you do? When criminals stop stuffing things in their cavities it won’t be necessary.
That stretch you are talking about is right there.
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