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| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Nope! He just got spoiled for his birthday last month! |
Boo!
You're robbing him of one of the joys of childhood IMO and sometimes you need to put aside your own personal feelings for the benefit of someone who as a child has no choice other than what his parents make for him. |
well put!
when i was a kid it wasnt the presents under the tree that got me, it was the pillow case full of nick knacks and knickers and things! id wake both my sisters to see what they got too, in the end they would throw them at me and say ÿou look!"
i bought my kids Santa sacks when they were tiny, not sure how old probably 4 or 5, and i still use the same ones. every christmas morning they wake up to their childhood sack by their bedroom door, but now its full of nicer than everyday razors, soap, fancy conditioners, their favorite makeup, and a fair few bits and bobs. and they love it!! i used to wrap it all individually, but now i just shove it all in the sack!
christmas has lost some of its magic now the kids are older, i guess when the grand kids come, that magic will return!
now if we could do away with the whole cooked christmas lunch id be perfectly content! Im on extra duty this year, i called it out of turn, gold star me! so tomorrow ill be peeling spuds and stuff for hours! cheers!! Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah etc!!
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Nope! He just got spoiled for his birthday last month! |
Grinch. 
Both my kids and grandson are all January Birthdays, no excuses.
I've just bought presents for the family who'll be here on Christmas day.
Mum and I went halves in a Juke Box for the pool room as a present for each other, I spent hours trawling op shops and pawn shops to find 2 vinyl records worthy of playing. |
Yeah - Grinch! My birthday's 8 days before Christmas & Mum always made certain they were completely different celebrations. My brother & sister are also within 6 weeks of Christmas, always pressies for each. (mind you, now that we're older & have more expensive tastes it's now usually OUR suggestion to combine, get one thing for b'day & Christmas  )
That's a bit mean don't you think? What do you tell him on Christmas morning? Sorry, Santa didn't come to you because it was your birthday last month   |
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David
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| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Nope! He just got spoiled for his birthday last month! |
Boo!
You're robbing him of one of the joys of childhood IMO and sometimes you need to put aside your own personal feelings for the benefit of someone who as a child has no choice other than what his parents make for him. |
I dunno, maybe we’ll do Hanukkah next year. Just don’t feel any connection to Christmas, and obviously it doesn’t mean anything to him right now either. He has no sense of missing out on anything, and it’s not like we’ll be feeding him any stories about Santa Claus being real!
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swoop42 
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My Nieces birthday was yesterday.
Nice timing mum and dad.
The only thing I'm really mindful of when discussing Christmas is acknowledging their are a lot of disadvantaged kids out there not so lucky as most and plenty of people who have no family to turn to so it's not such a happy day for them.
I'm also not someone who believes in spending some of the ridiculous amounts of money you here being bandied about on any one individual.
I've spent an amount on mum she wont be expecting (or happy about) but it's still far short of some of the average figures I've heard reported.
Some people clearly have more money than sense and you have to wonder how many do it for more reasons than simple generosity.
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Wokko 
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| David wrote: |
I dunno, maybe we’ll do Hanukkah next year. Just don’t feel any connection to Christmas, and obviously it doesn’t mean anything to him right now either. He has no sense of missing out on anything, and it’s not like we’ll be feeding him any stories about Santa Claus being real! |
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swoop42
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| David wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Nope! He just got spoiled for his birthday last month! |
Boo!
You're robbing him of one of the joys of childhood IMO and sometimes you need to put aside your own personal feelings for the benefit of someone who as a child has no choice other than what his parents make for him. |
I dunno, maybe we’ll do Hanukkah next year. Just don’t feel any connection to Christmas, and obviously it doesn’t mean anything to him right now either. He has no sense of missing out on anything, and it’s not like we’ll be feeding him any stories about Santa Claus being real! |
That's the best part.
Poor Ingmar.
Why don't you feel a connection to Christmas?
Because of your conservative religious parents?
If so why not look to embrace a different view on it and allow yourself some Christmas spirit?
Doesn't mean you have to go over the top and start turning your house into a Christmas theme park but personally I think you're robbing yourself and your son the magic and excitement of a Christmas morning.
Having them believe in some mythical figure that brings them toys for what in reality is a short period within a life does no harm IMO and why not indulge them a little when they're young and allow this simple wonderment when the harsher reality of adult life is what is eventually in store for all of us.
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Pies4shaw 
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Here’s a story for Ingmar:
“Once upon a time, there was a lonely, sad lawyer. He was sad because he had to close his office until 8 January. He was lonely because, well, because he’s a lawyer.
He closes his happy lawyering shop every year around Christmas as no one really needs a commercial litigator at this time of year. That’s because the nasty, mean socialist government lets the judges go to Portsea or Point Lonsdale for the summer and so the courts all have to be closed, closed, closed. Yes, there’s a duty judge in the Practice Court but, really, it’s not the same.
Anyway, when the courts are closed, the happy lawyer becomes sad because there is no laughter of happy litigators to make the cash register ring.
Sad, sad lawyer.
But Jesus invented Christmas to help out the sad lawyer. Every year, Jesus makes sure that children all over the world are given toys that aren’t fit for the purpose. This is a breach of the Australian Consumer Law (wherever it happens, because - happily- the Australian Consumer law has extra-territorial application).
So the lawyer is sad for about a fortnight until all the unhappy children and miserable parents come to see the lawyer in the first business week of January, then the lawyer isn’t sad anymore. The lawyer isn’t actually able to fix the toys for the children but he certainly helps make life worse for the people who made the bad toys in the first place.
Of course, things still aren’t quite right for the sad lawyer - he stays sad and lonely through the Chsirtmas period, when other people are out enjoying themselves getting skin cancer and falling out of their speedboats (and off their jetskis) onto their heads, because no one ever lets the lawyer have a turn on their just ski - for fear of a no-win, no-fee personal injury claim.
But all the little children help. Every Christmas, all the good little children go and steal money from their parents’ wallets and leave it in small, unmarked bills under the Christmas tree for the sad lawyer to collect.
And if that’s too much trouble, the not so sad now lawyer can be made sparklingly happy just by you emailing your mummies’ and daddies’ internet banking user ids and passwords direct to happylawyer@happylawyer.veryverycom.au.
And then the sad lawyer won’t be sad anymore.” |
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David
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Lol, P4S. This is a Christmas myth I can get on board with. 
| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | it’s not like we’ll be feeding him any stories about Santa Claus being real! |
That's the best part.
Poor Ingmar.
Why don't you feel a connection to Christmas?
Because of your conservative religious parents?
If so why not look to embrace a different view on it and allow yourself some Christmas spirit?
Doesn't mean you have to go over the top and start turning your house into a Christmas theme park but personally I think you're robbing yourself and your son the magic and excitement of a Christmas morning.
Having them believe in some mythical figure that brings them toys for what in reality is a short period within a life does no harm IMO and why not indulge them a little when they're young and allow this simple wonderment when the harsher reality of adult life is what is eventually in store for all of us. |
It’s true that it’s a result of my upbringing – we never celebrated Christmas when I was growing up, so I have no attachment to it. But it also means that I don’t have any urge to push my own nostalgia for the day on my offspring, which I guess is rare.
Here are some reasons I don’t want to celebrate Christmas.
1) It’s expensive. So many people talk about financial stress around Christmas, because they feel an obligation to buy gifts for their parents, kids, spouses, siblings, grandparents, friends, lovers, co-workers. And for what? The end result is that everybody gets more possessions that they probably don’t need. Nearly every year, I’m thankful that I don’t have that additional stress. For a day that’s supposed to be all about happiness and relaxation, that aspect of Christmas seems pretty perverse.
2) Family time isn’t viable anyway. No-one in my family celebrates it (my older brother has made a few half-hearted attempts over the years to get some of us together, like last year, but he had to agree not to have any Christmas paraphernalia around or else my sister, who still follows my parents’ Christian faith, wouldn’t have come). Meanwhile, Lola’s parents primarily observe Russian new year instead (Russian Christmas is in January and is generally treated as a lesser celebration, from my understanding).
3) The day carries no meaning for me. Christmas, depending on how you look at it, is either a) a day to celebrate Christ’s birth, b) a day to get heaps of cool presents, or c) a secular tradition that people feel an emotional connection to. I’m not a Christian, so a) is out, and see 1) and 2) for the other two.
4) I resent that it’s so pervasive. All the Christmas music in the shops, decorations and advertising are great (or at least tolerable) if you’re someone who feels attached to it. If not, it’s all just a bit annoying and overwhelming. Christopher Hitchens wrote an article comparing the month leading up to Christmas as being like living in a one-party state, with hymns to the dear leader, and so on. I don’t think he’s far wrong.
5) You can make your own traditions. It’s not Christmas or nothing; there are plenty of other cultural celebrations that might be magical for kids, or enable family time. I’m all for traditions, but I don’t feel the need to slavishly follow one just because everyone else does.
6) Lying to kids about Santa doesn’t sit well with me and never has. I think it’s weird and kind of is teaching them that you can’t be trusted. A lot of kids talk about their discovery of Santa being fictional being a genuinely upsetting experience. I’m all for telling kids fun stories (a category for which Santa Claus and his sack of presents hardly qualifies), but there’s no reason not to tell them that it’s made up.
7) I do, however, greatly enjoy Christmas Pudding and brandy custard.
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stui magpie 
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Sad lawyer wont be sad, until criminal prosecution lawyer comes calling about the internet banking scam.
then sad lawyer will be very sad, but his family will be happy when they get full access to the bank accounts.
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David
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One thing I do like about Christmas is how gullible people are.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/christmas/controversial-call-for-father-christmas-to-be-renamed-person-christmas/news-story/2e8c6f6552aa5743ef614fe81963e69f
| Quote: | | Controversial call for Father Christmas to be renamed ‘Person Christmas’ |
And their source for this extraordinary claim, which has caused no end of fury and “it’s PC gone mad” refrains on social media?
| Quote: | | According to Unilad, there have also been calls for the magical figure to be renamed ‘Person Christmas’ |
Um, ok. That links to this rambling, poorly written opinion piece on a website that usually specialises in cat videos:
https://www.unilad.co.uk/featured/people-call-for-father-christmas-to-be-renamed-person-christmas/
| Quote: | | Problems occasionally arise in society when accepted norms are challenged and people feel their way of life is being threatened. Unfortunately, gender-fluidity falls into the ‘threatening’ category for a lot a people – turns out – there are some who see the idea of Father Christmas being renamed to something more gender fluid like ‘Person Christmas’, as a real threat to their way of life. |
A couple of random Twitter posts follow – not one of which actually proposes that term being adopted. A+ journalism, guys.
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stui magpie
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Some strange people have extreme ideas, others get offended. Shit happens, you aren't allowed to shoot them.
Just for the record, Santa Clause wasn't invented by Coca cola.
https://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp
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Some **** stole a Christmas light show from our front yard last night, hope it short circuits and burns out their electrics! £$%$ers!
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Pies4shaw
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| ^^^ That's really a miserable thing to do. Sorry to hear that, TP. |
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Cheers P4S. What can you do? Won’t stop me from lighting up the place! Merry Christmas to you all guys! May you all have a fun, happy, safe and relatively stress free, fantastic Christmas! Cheers! Time to get busy!
- and don’t forget the reindeer food! Cmon David, you gotta let him put cookies and milk out!
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Skids 
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I love it! Especially as I'm home for it this year.
We have a big night to night at the Mother in-laws, all the kids, nieces & nephews and a grandaughter now too!
I don't see my brother in-laws very often but tonight we drink!
Can't wait to see the kids open their presents! 
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