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[David]

[Mugwump]

^ see my edit

[Pies4shaw]

[stui magpie]

You raise an excellent point.

While it's easy to bleat out that we should change the date of Australia day, I'm yet to see any genuine alternatives,

[Mugwump]

[sixpoints]

If we persist in celebrating the events of January 26 1788, then we must do it properly.
The only celebrations should occur in Sydney, as all other colonies on the continent had their own unique starting points.
The celebration must be based upon the arrival of the British. That is the crux of the day. The Britsh navy could be invited to sail into the harbour, or we could reenact Britsh sailing ships arriving. To be true to history all must fly nothing but British insignia.
We can make speeches about how the history of modern Australia started on 26/01/1788 and invite a Britsh delegate to be personally thanked for the provision of Britsh forms of law and government eg The Queen or maybe Prince Charles.
After the speeches, the Queen or Prince Charles could then ceremonially plant a British flag somewhere around Circular Quay.
If that's what we commemorate, then thats what we should celebrate.
Any notion of us celebrating what we are now, or how our nation has progressed over 200 years could be done at any other time.
But if we use 26/01 then it is for Sydney and to celebrate exactly what happened on the day.
If we choose that day, then we honour it.

[Mugwump]

^ good idea, and when we celebrate Anzac Day we can invite Jacinda Adern to invade Turkey with us. Any discussion of other military losses will need another day. At Christmas we should only remember the birth of Jesus Christ and send three wise men - Di Natalie, Shorten and Turnbull - to Bethlehem. It could all catch on. And for the Queens Birthday holiday we better get the old dear down here each year while we all face Buckingham Palace and pray.

[stui magpie]

Maybe, just maybe, we can leave the day where it is and instead of carrying on the divisive argument, we look to help the Aboriginal people drop the culture of victimhood fostered by the Greens and other SJW's.

Excellent short article by Warren Mundine on the subject.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/if-we-think-like-victims-thats-what-well-be/news-story/c8fc8afda1440d315c9a1d61569cd020

And if you sneer at him as being a race traitor, you're part of the problem.

[Mugwump]

^ while there is no magic bullet, I don’t think we’ll make great progress until aboriginal people believe they, like the rest of us, have opportunities as citizens of a globalising world in a prosperous Australia, while being proud of their ancient heritage. What happened to their ancestors was painful but historically inevitable in its time, and while many wrongs were done, it might have played out far worse in other hands. The point of history is to learn what drives the world, and to remember with sadness and celebration how our culture lived, changed, succeeded and failed in time. It is not a dirge to justify claims on the present.

Unfortunately too many people depend on a contrary narrative to the above for their meal ticket.

[stui magpie]

I've witnessed the Victim mentality he refers to and it isn't exclusive to Aboriginals. It's a state of mind that can infect anyone doing it hard, kids growing up in poverty for one.

The point for me is, the difference a positive outlook can make. If you believe your life is £$%$ed, it's someone else's fault and you can't fix it, you're screwed from day 1. if you take a positive attitude, without ignoring the past, it's amazing what can be achieved.

I stand by the comment that the greens and SJW's are unwittingly fostering this victimhood culture. Is there a version of paternalism where instead of being the dad you try to be the supportive big brother but just end up being paternalistic?

[Mugwump]

^ I am almost certain that the Greens and SJWs care (like the rest of us, funnily enough) about the condition of indigenous Australians. They are also utterly immune to the idea that their ideology might be counter-productive. How can I be wrong when I’m so damn concerned ?? Etc

[stui magpie]

Yep. Genuine concern plus trying to do the right thing doesn't always equal doing the right thing.

Classic example

[Pies4shaw]

It’s not actually about race. I’m annoyed about the celebration of British sovereignty, rather than a celebration that relates to Australia’s establishment as an independent country. It doesn’t actually matter what the answer is to the “Invasion Day” problem - the celebration should be moved because 26 January has nothing to do with Australia’s nationhood and everything to do with the raising of the British flag. Since at least the passing of the Australia Acts in 1986, this holiday has been left on the wrong day. It’s a pathetic example of cultural cringe by a country full of Anglo-centric whimps.

[think positive]

Well on possibly the last Australia Day I’ll still be a full blood Pom I’ll just say

RULE BRITTANIA!!!

Pommies Rule!!

[think positive]