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Any chance he will be at least investigated for war crimes?
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stui magpie 
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The war was so long ago, and his winning so popular at the time, no chance.
he should be tried and hanged for peace crimes - turning a once prosperous country into a basket case while he and his entourage kicked back in the lap of luxury.
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I reckon there’s as much chance of Mugabe voluntarily stepping down as the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail accepting defeat. You’d think that running a dictatorship for nearly 40 years, well into old age, would be enough for most people; instead he’s like “I’m invincible!”
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Turned the one of the most prosperous, successful African nations (Rhodesia) into a dystopian Marxist hellhole. Allowed and encouraged the brutal genocide of Whites (much like SA today).
The fact he still might retire somewhere is sickening. |
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stui magpie
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he was dispossessing farmers decades prior to 2014
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Turned the one of the most prosperous, successful African nations (Rhodesia) into a dystopian Marxist hellhole. Allowed and encouraged the brutal genocide of Whites (much like SA today).
The fact he still might retire somewhere is sickening. |
It’s an interesting case study in the paradox of Utopianism. I can understand the resentment of landless black Zimbabweans who see white farmers, relatively wealthy, living well on land which they acquired via an apartheid-type system. They have a point, and it was sadly inevitable that they will seek to take it back.
The problem is that the achievement of justice so often involves greater injustice and cruelty than allowing the status quo to endure. This is what bedevils all utopian thinking.
A rational, patient policy of progressive transfer of land to broader ownership across many years, or higher taxation on it, might have achieved justice over the long haul. But of course the devils of upheaval, envy and greed never permit such policies. Radicalism is nearly always the enemy of progress.
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David
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That Mugabe’s Zimbabwe has been a disaster isn’t in question. But we shouldn’t be putting on rose- (or Rhodes!) coloured glasses when considering what preceded it. Rhodesia itself was a violent, tyrannical state built for the profit of a tiny percentage of whites off the labours of everyone else. One can only hope that there’s a better way forward now.
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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | | That Mugabe’s Zimbabwe has been a disaster isn’t in question. But we shouldn’t be putting on rose- (or Rhodes!) coloured glasses when considering what preceded it. Rhodesia itself was a violent, tyrannical state built for the profit of a tiny percentage of whites off the labours of everyone else. One can only hope that there’s a better way forward now. |
I think the history is way more complicated than that. It is true that the state was built for the profit of a white minority, because that’s what people did when states like this were founded in the era of colonialism, and in a time when racism was, alas, considered a matter of science.
It was, however, by the late 1960s, one of the most advanced societies in Africa, with a sound economy, a strong and independent legal system, and a process of reform in voting rights and black education under way. It was still an unpleasant place in need of massive reform for black people, but the 1961 constitution provided a pathway to power sharing. This process of reform was disrupted by the zealots, mountebanks and opportunists of ZAPU and ZANU (the two major tribes in the area which promptly dressed themselves in political colours). These two hell-hounds initiated provocations, violence and then the official retaliations which white guilt-ridden liberals, safe and far away, duly deplored. Whitehall pusillanimity and British hand-washing did the rest, and black and white Zimbabweans have been paying an appalling and tragic price ever since.
It does not always serve justice simply to summarily destroy an unjust order. Most of those who did so no doubt hugged themselves to sleep in complacent and irresponsible beds, as they betrayed that benighted country and its brave people to appease their juvenile consciences. May their gravestones weep blood.
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think positive
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And boy are they partying, great stuff
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David
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At least they have hope after 37 long years of a democratic change
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After all his service to Zimbabwe, Mugabe deserves a present in his retirement. Maybe a new suit and a boat trip?
Concrete suit and a canoe off Victoria Falls. 
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Toto would love this.   |
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Jezza
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| think positive wrote: | | At least they have hope after 37 long years of a democratic change |
I think there's a lot more pain ahead for them before it improves. From what I've heard, Mugabe's successor sounds no better than him.
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