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swoop42 Virgo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:04 pm
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The biggest secret still in Hollywood isn't the treatment of women it's that of children being preyed upon.

While it's certainly unfair to label Spacey a pedophile on the basis of this one incident more could potentially come to light. They may not also.

Plenty of rumours have circulated for years about some very powerful Hollywood figures but most allegations seem to have fallen on deaf ears when it comes to child actors.

No one has ever really taken seriously the allegations or innuendo raised by 80's child star Corey Feldman in relation to an alleged pedophile ring once? within Hollywood or the rape of that other 80's child star Corey Haim allegedly at the hands of C. Sheen.

Hollywood royalty like Lucas and Spielberg are some that I've seen being linked to child exploitation in the past though who knows for sure what is fact or fiction.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:16 am
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I think thatís an area Ė paedophile rings of the rich and famous Ė where conspiracy theories go off the charts, aided in no small part by crazies and things like supposed recovered memory therapy. Haimís mother, for one, is not buying it:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/corey-haim-s-mom-calls-corey-feldman-s-pedophile-claims-bogus-he-s-a-scam-artist-1052712

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:46 pm
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I think thatís an area Ė paedophile rings of the rich and famous Ė where conspiracy theories go off the charts, aided in no small part by crazies and things like supposed recovered memory therapy. Haimís mother, for one, is not buying it:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/corey-haim-s-mom-calls-corey-feldman-s-pedophile-claims-bogus-he-s-a-scam-artist-1052712


I wouldn't be so quick to take her word as gospel without knowing more about the quality of her character.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:41 pm
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I'm certainly not taking it as gospel either, just pointing out that there's at least some reasonable doubt here. Frankly, from what I've heard from Feldman, he sounds like a bit of a nutter (which doesn't necessarily mean his allegations are wrong, of course, but just that we need to remain cautious about accepting them until more evidence is presented).

Anyway, here's a good piece on Spacey and the moral outrage of gay op-ed writers portraying Spacey's coming-out as a personal slight against the community.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/11/01/how_calling_kevin_spacey_a_pedophile_hurts_the_gay_community.html

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:43 pm
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By anything other than academic sophistry, he's a paedo.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:08 pm
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Well, sure, if you want to make up your own definitions for words. Why bother about being right when you can feel right?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:21 am
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Well, well, well. Remember this guy?

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/former-channel-seven-journalist-dylan-howard-among-weinsteins-army-of-spies-20171107-gzglsc.html

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:25 am
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By the way, this is a pretty damn eye-opening account of the extents to which the rich and powerful can (and will) go to avoid having to answer for their misdemeanours.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:23 am
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David wrote:
By the way, this is a pretty damn eye-opening account of the extents to which the rich and powerful can (and will) go to avoid having to answer for their misdemeanours.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies


bloody hell, thats a Liam Neeson movie right there!!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:38 am
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That rehab centre is going to fill up fast

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/charlie-sheen-corey-haim-lucas/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:39 am
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Yet another one bites the dust...

https://nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

I feel bad for all of the women who had to be subjected to such a weird experience, but I also kind of feel sorry for him. Obviously has/had some weird sexual peccadilloes and couldnít find a better outlet for them.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:44 am
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David wrote:
Well, sure, if you want to make up your own definitions for words. Why bother about being right when you can feel right?


Well said, to which I can only add that people once had to be convicted of crimes after due process, before they could be punished and publicly vilified. The present uproar has all of the characteristics of a metaphorical lynching, but even lynching was usually based on the allegation of definite criminality. Clumsy one-off passes (unlike sustained unwanted or advances) are not, as far I am aware, criminal. Our retreat from real politics to the pursuit of personal grudges and petty interpersonal power is one of our many epochal oddities. Many of todayís sorrows and discontents in rich societies issue from the unleashing of absolute sexual freedom fifty years ago ; given that it is what the libertines (and many feminists) wanted, it seems rather odd that they are now in the front row of the guillotine as it welcomes those who took it at face value. But then, the drive for power and punishment is a great shape-shifter.

Increasingly, these past few days, I find myself thinking of the lyrics of a Bob Dylan song, long ago :

ďNo I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I were a master thief, perhaps Iíd rob them ....
And though I know youíre dissatisfied,
With your position and your place
Donít you understand thatís not my problem....Ē

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David wrote:
Yet another one bites the dust...

https://nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

I feel bad for all of the women who had to be subjected to such a weird experience, but I also kind of feel sorry for him. Obviously has/had some weird sexual peccadilloes and couldnít find a better outlet for them.


Really? He ainít poor, he could hire a pro

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I donít think human sexuality is anywhere near that simple or straightforward.

The real question is, how long until Donald Trump gets brought down by all this? We have ample evidence to suggest that heís one of these guys. Or does the presidency offer absolute protection? (Bill Clintonís ability to sidestep the many allegations against him would suggest that it does.)

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David wrote:
I donít think human sexuality is anywhere near that simple or straightforward.

The real question is, how long until Donald Trump gets brought down by all this? We have ample evidence to suggest that heís one of these guys. Or does the presidency offer absolute protection? (Bill Clintonís ability to sidestep the many allegations against him would suggest that it does.)


so you think random females should just allow a male to whip it out and wank it off in front of them because, "'Obviously has/had some weird sexual peccadilloes and couldnít find a better outlet for them."'
(ive said previously on here when i was about 21-22 i was waiting for my horses to finish their dinner, snoozing in my car, and woke up to a guy approaching my car dick in hand, i planted it, and then backed back into him, no regrets, never saw him again, but every time i went to the paddock afterwards, at least once a day, it played on my mind. i found new agistment for my horses not long after that.i should not have had to feel that way. its assault, anyway you look at it. him, not me, i acted in self defense!!)

like i said, he can get therapy for that on many a street corner for - well im not sure how much the going rate is!!


As for your "'real question"' maybe wait until a court finds President Trump guilty, or at the very least some video with audio comes to light to prove it! or do only pedophiles and rapists with weird predilections get your sympathy? When Trump does fall, i hope its for the right reason, ie a political one. And then there is those sleaze ball art film directors, they get sympathy because......

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