The silence over Harvey Weinstein�s serial abuse

[pietillidie]

[David]

The impression I�ve had is that people do take it literally as a piece of dogma. Indeed, it�s hard to imagine how it could not be taken that way, once it entered popular discourse. This is the argument made here:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex

[pietillidie]

^Well, now you can debunk the derivative hot air and get back to serious forms of the hypothesis to see if they have merit.

[David]

Well, it depends what you�re talking about. Brownmiller�s book was important for its time, but needless to say it�s pretty outdated. If we were to engage in such contemporary scholarly/academic discussions, I expect we�d be taking it as a given that �rape is about power, not sex� is not a claim to be taken seriously. The only field where it still gets a run is the popular, everyday context, and that, as far as I can tell, is the only field in which it needs to be argued. I think the article I posted is as serious an engagement with the discussion as you could hope for.

(I�m also confused by the implication that this slogan, and what people think it means, doesn�t matter; on the contrary, I think understanding what motivates rapists is hugely important, both from a research level and also for the general population.)

[Mugwump]

^ well said, David.

[Wokko]

You might as well just go with "It's bullshit", you'll get the same level of discourse.

[think positive]

Interesting question on Facebook: how can you mourn Hugh Hefner while reviling Harvey Weinstein?

(I get the difference, I see the point, it wasn�t my question!)

And Apparently George Clooney is next.

[pietillidie]

[think positive]

from a friends page:


�This is what it is like to be a woman. Not complaining - this is just our reality.
�I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other. Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? At first there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter, before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.' Then I ask women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine. Here are some of their answers: Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work. Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take a first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.�
― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help


bad enough living with that without a lecherous old bastard standing in your way of a job.

speak to your sons, not your daughters.

[stui magpie]

The publicity generated brings the stories out.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/20/health/weinstein-metoo-moments/index.html?sr=twCNN102017weinstein-metoo-moments0505PMStory

Clear that you don't need the level of power this bloke had, just enough in the context.

[think positive]

Jesus so many $�$%^%%$ scumbags

[HAL]

Are you still get the word TEAM?

[Mountains Magpie]

In view of what's been going on, the producers of An Open Secret have made the film available for free on Vimeo.

https://vimeo.com/142444429

MM

[watt price tully]

Wrong Harvey:

"...Iconic gay playwright, actor, and producer Harvey Fierstein would like to get one thing straight (for the first time in his life): He is not Harvey Weinstein..."

"...Harvey Fierstein has been tweeting up some hilarious missives in his attempt to right the ship. �Harvey Weinstein is rumored to be in trouble & I am somehow getting flak as well! I get it. All Harveys look alike,� he wrote. �Guys, we�re mad at Harvey WEINSTEIN, not Harvey FIERSTEIN!� A few days later, he added: �Thanks to Weinstein�s horrible behavior I�ve been dubbed #theGoodHarvey on the internet. I appreciate the distinction [but can�t] I be #TheFabHarvey?...�

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/harvey-fierstein-harvey-weinstein-twitter-lgbt-1201886272/

[Wokko]

Saw an article I wont bother posting, the author was mad that he didn't go for black women so they were missing out on the roles that he was demanding sex for...

Yeah, that's enough internet for today I think.