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/\ Kirstie alley said something similar
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kirstie-alleys-bizarre-theory-mass-11284223
IMO Massive amounts of ADHD drugs handed out like lollies were a bad start, fix behaviour with drugs, ok for some but over diagnosed? And then there is an excuse for every behaviour, personal responsibility out the window.
Not to mention my guilty pleasure, action movies, full of gun toting heroes, virtual reality shooting games, giving young kids access to the emotion of shooting far too early.
Truth is, people kill, guns are just the tool, so don’t let damaged, angry, emotional, drunk, PMTed, irrational people have those tools, (ie anyone in the wrong mood, even 1 victim is too many) especially not high powered automatic tools. At least ban them. Start somewhere, just start.
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Thanks TP. It is interesting that this hypothesis is reported as a "bizarre theory" in the newspaper, and some open minded person immediately asked her to "sit down". The idea is quite plausible, as rage is reported as a side effect in the notes of this medication. Has there ever been an age quite as conformist as this age of so-called liberalism ?
But yes, restricting guns would be a start while we try to understand why this type of crime has exploded since it began, like so many social pathologies, in the 1960s (there was a horror at a school in the 1920s, I think, but they were very, very rare.
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stui magpie 
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The argument for gun control is strong. Look at Australia as a case study. Since guns were more tightly controlled, no mass shootings.
Now that fuitcake with the commodore mad a mess in the bourke st mall, but as I said earlier people will find a wy. How much worse could that have been if he's had easy access to guns?
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| I don't have the urge to own a military grade weapon. I don't see it as my right, then again I'm not American. Let Americans keep killing their own and all I can really say, if nothing was done after the Sandy Hook murders of innocent kids then another 58 people massacred really doesn't mean that much. The irony of all this, if NK killed just one American there would be WWIII. |
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| Culprit wrote: | | The irony of all this, if NK killed just one American there would be WWIII. |
Wrong, Otto Wurmbier?
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^^Maybe of they shot him  |
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David
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An interesting argument:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/10/06/will-the-media-coverage-of-las-vegas-lead-to-more-mass-shootings/
| Quote: | Will the media coverage of Las Vegas lead to more mass shootings?
Charlie Lewis
“A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day.”
That’s from the blog of a 16-year-old who shot dead eight of his classmates and an associate professor at Umpqua Community College in Oregon on October 1, 2015. He’s speaking approvingly of Vester Flanagan, who had received reams of media coverage after shooting Virginian journalist Alison Parker and cameraman Adam Ward (and wounding their interviewee Vicki Gardner) roughly two months earlier. A particular focus of the coverage was Flanagan’s “suicide note” expressing his many personal and professional frustrations and praising the perpetrators of the massacres at Virginia Tech and Columbine.
As the numbing footage and shattering numbers — those dead and injured — in Las Vegas emanated from our televisions and front pages on Monday afternoon, the familiar question cropped up: how can we stop this ever happening again? Debating the answer has unsurprisingly centered on the thorny issue of US gun control. Less commented on has been what role the media plays in all this.
Coverage of the massacre has (as it always does) raked over every element of the shooter’s life, delving into his family, his relationship, the “meticulous” planning of the event, anything that might give a clue as to why this happened. But where does this stop being legitimate reporting and become celebrification of mass murders?
Killing for fame
One of Australia’s preeminent forensic psychiatrists, Emeritus Professor Paul Mullen, who interviewed the perpetrators of the Port Arthur and Hoddle Street massacres (in our conversation, he makes a point of using neither of their names), and also worked on the Snowtown murders, told Crikey only one in 10 mass shooters has a serious mental health issue.
“So the question goes to motivation — why do they do it?” he said. “We know they do it to die. Mass shooters invariably intend to die among their victims — they do it for revenge on a world that has neglected them, and to gain fame.”
Mullen said fame, as a driver, could be identified as far back as the first recorded mass shooting in a Western country in Germany, 1913. The perpetrator stopped at the house of the professor of literature at Stuttgart, dropped off the manuscripts for his plays and books and poetry (all routinely rejected by publishers) and told him “cherish these, for tomorrow I shall be the most famous man in Europe”. He promptly shot 20 people in the village of Muehlhausen.
An open letter from October 3, co-signed by 147 academics, law enforcement officials, public health experts and others begged US media outlets to deny infamy to mass shooters:
“We strongly urge you to take a principled stand in your future coverage of mass killers that could potentially save lives:
1. Don’t name the perpetrator.
2. Don’t use photos or likenesses of the perpetrator.
3. Stop using the names, photos, or likenesses of past perpetrators.
4. Report everything else about these crimes in as much detail as desired.”
One of those signatories is Curtin University’s Glynn Greensmith, a journalist and lecturer whose PhD examines the news framing, in Tasmania’s The Mercury, of the 1996 coverage of the Dunblane (Scotland) and Port Arthur massacres.
“By laying out all this detail, you’re essentially providing a playbook for potential mass shooters,” he told Crikey. “And by delving into every detail of their past, you’re also telling any loner with an arsenal and a grudge, this is how you get everyone’s attention, this is how you get your every grievance and thought brought to light. We will come and find it.”
“The point the letter makes is — is it valid to ask why this happened? Absolutely. Does a forensic recreation of the crime, and raking over a shooters’ every utterance help with that understanding? Absolutely not.”
On Thursday, The Australian‘s front page was covered in promotional style shots of the various automatic weapons the Las Vegas shooter had strewn across the hotel room where he was found. In pornographic detail, it lists the calibre of ammunition, the mechanics of the weapon, the speed with which it fired, the line of sight.
“In some ways I think reporters have the best of intentions in these cases; they want to illustrate the awful destructive power available to citizens in America, and by implication reinforce that these weapons aren’t wanted here,” Mullen said.
Reporting on suicide
The Oz‘s front-page story also opened with a detailed description of the method by which the Las Vegas shooter took his own life, something that would be beyond the pale in any other context.
“Some of the overseas and Australian media have reported the method of suicide used by the perpetrator of the Las Vegas mass shooting, and we would say the same caution applies that media should avoid detail and undue prominence in their reporting,” Marc Bryant, program manager of Mindframe told Crikey.
“Any reporting of a suicide death, regardless of the context, needs to comply with guidelines about minimising details of the methods used.”
Bryant said Mindframe, who have developed guidelines for reporting on suicide and mental illness, were also concerned that media speculation about the killer’s mental health may lead vulnerable people to not seek help.
Mullen said there were a number of factors that had allowed Australia to avoid any mass shootings since Port Arthur.
“Gun control is definitely one of them, but we’ve also been lucky in that many of the people who complete or attempt these acts in Australia have been taken alive, which distrupts their script,” he said. “It’s about dying in a blaze of glory, and we deny them that if they have to undergo the humiliation of a trial and incarceration.”
Mullen also praised the “mostly sober and sensible” coverage of tragedies like Port Arthur.
“But Australian media doesn’t show the same restraint when reporting on America,” he said. “And this is something we may pay a price for.” |
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stui magpie
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Interesting article David.
The same argument has been used about Suicides and terrorist acts. There's a line between informing and educating the public and encouraging copy cats i suppose.
Anyway, for those interested in how a Bump Stock works, see here. https://lifehacker.com/what-is-a-bump-stock-and-why-is-it-so-dangerous-1819180018?IR=T
There's a video which shows how it works, the gun is still a semi auto, it still requires the trigger to be pulled for each round. What it does is uses the recoil of the shot to basically bounce the gen back and forward so your stationary finger hits the trigger. it means the gun bounces around, impacting accuracy and making it useless for any shooting where aiming is important, but perfect for strafing a target where you don't really need to aim.
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Thanks K. I am sure these drugs have been subjected to clinical trials, but on the scale that such trials are performed, they may well fail to pick up the (say) one in five thousand who may have this type of extreme reaction and who might pick up a gun if guns are widely available. Yet the side effects packaged with the medications list rage and aggression as a side effect. The question becomes "is the benefit to many worth the cost from a few ?".
I am sure it is not just SSRIs and other drugs, even if they are a key factor, but culture plays a role as well. The hyper-individualism of American life puts terrible pressure on some people.
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It is a different culture, being an Introvert is almost considered a personality disorder or mental illness 
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| think positive wrote: | | Make the NRA answer for a change. |
You do realise the NRA are against bump stock guns in general right, and while we are at it, why isnt it being mentioned that it was in fact Barry Obamas administration that legalised their sale and use.
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| Culprit wrote: | | I don't have the urge to own a military grade weapon. I don't see it as my right, then again I'm not American. |
You didn't grow up being told it was your right.
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| Pa Marmo wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Make the NRA answer for a change. |
You do realise the NRA are against bump stock guns in general right, and while we are at it, why isnt it being mentioned that it was in fact Barry Obamas administration that legalised their sale and use. |
The bump stock only made him more efficient, the NRA need to answer for semi automatic guns, and guns in general.
And Obama’s still rocks! Obama tried, he pushed for gun control. There hasn’t been, and won’t be a president that can win with gun control until those that were brought up being told it is their right to have guns, realise guns, and indeed more guns, are not the answer. And the NRA are doing everything they can to prevent that, it’s all about power, influence and money. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” that mentality needs to change.
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