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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:53 pm
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Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:13 pm
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No clear motive yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/stephen-paddock-vegas-shooter.html

He was a high-stakes gambler recognized in the casinos of Nevada. He dabbled in real estate investments in Texas. His last known full-time employment was 30 years ago. He was twice divorced. He had a pilot’s license and had owned two single-engine planes.

While his motive for the mass shooting outside a Las Vegas casino on Sunday night is unknown, details of Stephen Paddock’s history pointed to an unmoored and highly unconventional life.

He owned several homes and properties across the country, according to a review of public records.

“He seemed normal, other than that he lived by gambling,” Sharon Judy, a former neighbor, told Florida Today. “He was very open about that. First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, ‘Hey, would you keep an eye on the house, we’re only going to be here every now and then.’ ”

He was a regular at the Eureka Casino Resort in Mesquite, where on Monday the slot machines jangled, the waitresses circled and gamblers folded hundred dollar bills into the hands of eager bookies.

Several people said Mr. Paddock played video poker and card games and had recently won a $20,000 jackpot, a celebrated event at the casino.

“That was his spirit,” said Doug Reath, a Mesquite resident who works in real estate. “He would come here and play.”

He owned several homes and properties across the country, according to a review of public records.

“He seemed normal, other than that he lived by gambling,” Sharon Judy, a former neighbor, told Florida Today. “He was very open about that. First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, ‘Hey, would you keep an eye on the house, we’re only going to be here every now and then.’ ”

He was a regular at the Eureka Casino Resort in Mesquite, where on Monday the slot machines jangled, the waitresses circled and gamblers folded hundred dollar bills into the hands of eager bookies.

Several people said Mr. Paddock played video poker and card games and had recently won a $20,000 jackpot, a celebrated event at the casino.

“That was his spirit,” said Doug Reath, a Mesquite resident who works in real estate. “He would come here and play.”

Stephen Paddock, 64, lived with his current girlfriend, Marilou Danley, 62.

She worked as “high-limit hostess” at the Atlantis Casino in Reno, Nev. from 2010 to 2013, according to her LinkedIn account. On Monday, the casino said that she left the company several years ago. High-limit hostesses attend to members of a loyalty club called Club Paradise who spend large quantities of money and receive discounted hotel rooms, meals and other amenities, according to the casino’s website.

Mr. Paddock seemed to have no criminal history, according to records searches in places where he was known to have lived. The Mesquite Police Department said they had no interactions with the couple, including traffic stops.

Few things seemed out of the ordinary Thursday when Mr. Paddock checked into a suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas

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Jezza wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?

He wanted to kill people with his guns.
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Pies4shaw wrote:
Jezza wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?

He wanted to kill people with his guns.
He had an arsenal and was ready for the NK invasion. Got sick of waiting.
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How, in the city with more security cameras than any other in the world, did he get all these weapons & ammo into his room?


Is it really all that difficult? Would anyone blink twice at someone bringing what appeared to be a bag of golf clubs into a hotel room?

As for how he bought them all, well I guess we already know that.


I'm not sure how big your golf clubs are David Confused

The police found an arsenal in the gunman’s hotel room.

At least 23 firearms, including a handgun, were found in Mr. Paddock’s hotel suite, according to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. Some were rifles equipped with scopes, said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Police Department, adding that Mr. Paddock used multiple rifles during the attack.

A federal law enforcement official earlier said there were at least 20 rifles in the suite, along with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, including two rifles outfitted with scopes and set up on tripods in front of two big windows. Another official said that among the weapons were AR-15-style assault rifles. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge details of the investigation.

Sheriff Lombardo said that Mr. Poddack brought in at least 10 suitcases into his hotel room over a period of time.

*and this didn't ring some sort of alarm bell..? For somebody, anybody, in security?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html


You’ve never been shopping in Vegas obviously. And I’m not being funny. Lots of people, boys and girls, buy big expensive suitcases and cart them around the discount malls. I was disgusted by our neighbours this time around, they left a huge pile of rubbish outside their door every night, Nike, guess, Cartier, you name it, ridiculous amounts. I have no idea how small guns pack up too, but really, even two or three of the large sized cases would carry a fair bit. A high roller who part time lives in hotels, no biggie at all. Certainly now, they need more metal detectors in the lobbies.

Of course at the very least they should outlaw semi automatics and higher. But they won’t.

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Pies4shaw wrote:
Jezza wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?

He wanted to kill people with his guns.

That tells me nothing.

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think positive wrote:
[quote="Skids"][quote="David"][quote="Skids"]How, in the city with more security cameras than any other in the world, did he get all these weapons & ammo into his room?[/quote]

[b]Is it really all that difficult? Would anyone blink twice at someone bringing what appeared to be a bag of golf clubs into a hotel room? [/b]

As for how he bought them all, well I guess we already know that.[/quote]

I'm not sure how big your golf clubs are David Confused

The police found an arsenal in the gunman’s hotel room.

[b]At least 23 firearms[/b], including a handgun, were found in Mr. Paddock’s hotel suite, according to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. Some were rifles equipped with scopes, said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Police Department, adding that Mr. Paddock used multiple rifles during the attack.

A federal law enforcement official earlier said there were at least [b]20 rifles[/b] in the suite, along with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, including [b]two rifles outfitted with scopes and set up on tripods[/b] in front of two big windows. Another official said that among the weapons were AR-15-style assault rifles. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge details of the investigation.

[b]Sheriff Lombardo said that Mr. Poddack brought in at least 10 suitcases into his hotel room over a period of time.[/b]

*and this didn't ring some sort of alarm bell..? For somebody, anybody, in security?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html[/quote]

You’ve never been shopping in Vegas obviously. And I’m not being funny. Lots of people, boys and girls, buy big expensive suitcases and cart them around the discount malls. I was disgusted by our neighbours this time around, they left a huge pile of rubbish outside their door every night, Nike, guess, Cartier, you name it, ridiculous amounts. I have no idea how small guns pack up too, but really, even two or three of the large sized cases would carry a fair bit. A high roller who part time lives in hotels, no biggie at all. Certainly now, they need more metal detectors in the lobbies.

Of course at the very least they should outlaw semi automatics and higher. But they won’t.
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A more concrete motive will more likely than not emerge, but one of the most disturbing aspects of gun violence for me is that ultimately a strong motive isn't necessary. Some mix of unhappiness, nihilism and misanthropy can be just about enough to motivate an unbalanced individual to go on a shooting spree – and a gun (particularly an automatic/semi-automatic) is a perfect weapon because it requires little physical effort, little in the way of getting one's hands dirty, and little chance of resistance (until the police show up and you off yourself). Perhaps 99.9% of people would never do something like this; but it only requires one person to have this chemistry and easy access to firearms to leave dozens dead.

But of course this is all preaching to the choir and I'm sure pretty much all of us over here are equally bewildered as to why American lawmakers persist in stopping even the most mild regulations on guns from being enforced. Nothing's going to change until the political will exists for it to change, and hopefully that will come with the next generation. For now, nothing will happen; that mass shooting in the kindergarten was proof of that. And if Obama couldn't get much done, Trump is just as likely to go the other way and make guns even less regulated than they are now. Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, etc., never mind the fact that it wouldn't have helped one bit here.

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Jezza wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Jezza wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?

He wanted to kill people with his guns.

That tells me nothing.


No one can really say right now, so lets eliminate a few likely suspects/ motivation.

ISIS = Unlikely, they got too many other problems.

Far right nationalist = Unlikely, media would have been all over it, eagerly.

Lone nutter = possible; but he went to a lot of effort over a considerable amount time.

A few clues?

target choice.... country music festival.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/37322512/las-vegas-shooting-cbs-lawyer-fired-after-facebook-post/

If a top lawyer openly thinks like that.....what conclusion can one draw?

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Pi wrote:
Jezza wrote:
Pies4shaw wrote:
Jezza wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the shooter's motive was?

He wanted to kill people with his guns.

That tells me nothing.


No one can really say right now, so lets eliminate a few likely suspects/ motivation.

ISIS = Unlikely, they got too many other problems.

Far right nationalist = Unlikely, media would have been all over it, eagerly.

Lone nutter = possible; but he went to a lot of effort over a considerable amount time.

A few clues?

target choice.... country music festival.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/37322512/las-vegas-shooting-cbs-lawyer-fired-after-facebook-post/

If a top lawyer openly thinks like that.....what conclusion can one draw?

People don't need any real "motive" for these atrocities. They just need guns, ammunition, a bit of anger and a degree of alienation. Looking for a "motive" is apt to deflect from the real point - whatever was happening in this tool's brain, it couldn't have translated into this carnage without the weaponry.
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I followed that link then ended up here

Truly mind boggling, and just so unbelievable.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

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On the other hand, this bloke didn't fire a single bullet.... so, a nut job doesn't need a gun.

The 2017 Manchester Arena bombing was an Islamist-extremism-inspired terror attack in Manchester, United Kingdom. On 22 May 2017 a shrapnel-laden homemade bomb was detonated as people were leaving Manchester Arena following a concert by the American singer Ariana Grande. Twenty-three people were killed, including the attacker, and 250 were injured.

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A couple of points

Firstly, fully automatic weapons are regulated in the US. Semi auto's aren't. The difference is a semi auto is self loading but you need to pull the trigger for each shot. Apparently at least 1 of the weapons the Police found had been modified, probably by a gun smith (which is illegal). You can also purchase (as David pointed out earlier) devices that can attach to a semi auto to make them rapid fire. It effects accuracy but if you're strafing 20,000 people from 400m away, accuracy isn't a big deal. Without some modifications you'd need Parkinsons and a hair trigger to get that rapid fire rate out of a semi auto


In response to LuvDids,

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How the hell do you get into a hotel with 19 guns?? Shocked

Strike that, how do you end up with 19 guns, all apparently bought legally?!! Shocked


When I handed my guns into the Police near 10 yerars ago, there was more than 20. I also sold another 15 to a gun dealer when my Dad died. it's not that hard., or at least it wasn't. A tad more difficult now in Aus to accumulate an arselnal legally.

Finally, in relation to gun control, here's some charts that explain the attitudes to gun control in the USA.

http://us.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/guns-maps-las-vegas/index.html

Interesting, the divide is not just political but between people who own guns and people who don't.

The other interesting point is that in the last 14 years, the number of gun owners who own a gun for protection has increased by 22% and the number who own them for hunting has decreased by 17%. There's probably still just as many people hunting but the number who buy for protection has jumped massively.

In Texas, which is an open carry state, there are signs on entrances to sports stadiums and bars saying no guns allowed in here.

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