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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:50 pm
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ďHe has so much respect for all the girls he wrestles,Ē said McNew, AP reported. ďPeople think Mack has been beating up on girlsÖ The girls he wrestles with, they are tough. It has more to do with skill and discipline than strength.Ē


Hmmm HE has so much respect for the GIRLS he wrestles.

Basically a anctioned drug cheat, natural born females canít take steroids and compete.

These are all no win situations. Someone is going to get robbed either way. Maybe they need to get their competitive urges out the way before they go with the sex change ones. And yes I know thatís really horrible but what is the answer?

And no Iím not changing my tune, you can certainly build a woman up with steroids, thatís why they are not legal in sports, but can you ever really decrease a males to an appropriate level?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:55 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
That's an interesting one. Girl transitioning to a guy, want's to compete against the guys (which is a step up, not a step down as in guys transitioning to female) and he's not allowed, so he get's booed. Confused

No heís getting booed because heís taking steroids and wrestling girls who arenít. Surely once he has fully transitioned they canít stop him from competing as a male? Or are the guys worried about being beaten up by Ďa girlí?

And yes I know Iím giving mixed messages. If they just wanted to play chess it would be a lot easier!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:02 pm
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This may sound wrong on many levels, but my view is simplistic.

If a girl wants to compete against guys, whether transitioning or not, let her.

If a guy wants to compete against girls, the answer is NO unless the physical advantage has been neutralised.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:18 am
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Confession: I do sometimes take a peek at BF - stop reading now if that's too much!

TP referred to the BF thread on this subject several pages ago. The main BF Hannah Mouncey thread now runs to 100+ pages. Anyone interested in acquainting themselves with the width, breadth and depth of this issue could, IMO, do worse than take a look. There is loads of authoritative science as well as material about the equity issues. The usual trolls try and derail the discussion for the first 50 or so pages but lose interest once the science kicks in. They're pretty easy to skip over: they use the same sort of tactics some use here, quoting 'authoritative' sources such as blahbart and my particular favourite, the Russian English language television service FFS.

The story of one of the driving contributors, Kirsti (sorry if I've mispelt) is fascinating. Amongst other things, she plays for the Broken Hill Magpies.

For my two bobs worth: there are many who run the argument that if your birth certificate says 'female' you are a female and if your birth certificate says 'male' you are a male. Oh! that the world was that simple. IMO just about every sporting body on the planet running male and female comps is keen for the IOC to come up with a defensible policy synthesising the scientific evidence and the health and equity issues.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:32 am
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They just need to create competitions for transgendered athletes who have fully transitioned. One for male-to-female and the other for female-to-male. Getting enough participants might be a problem especially in smaller countries.

The people who haven't fully transitioned play for the sex they were born.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:06 am
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Too much common sense there Bucks!
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