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| RudeBoy wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Fasolo has shown enormous bravery to bare his inner demons so publicly. Well done son.
For anyone still clings to this rubbish idea that Bucks doesn't know how to relate to his players, then read this story. He can't speak highly enough of the support he's received from Bucks. Reading this story has made me proud of my club. |
Well after the disgusting way Marsh was treated by Leading Flogs in 2016, the club would certainly want to step up in the mental health department... |
I warned everyone years ago about the destructive effect Leading Teams would have. Unfortunately, it's taken us, and a number of other clubs, several wasted years to reach the same conclusion. |
How was Marsh treated??
It seems Leading Teams was brought in by Bucks...MM apparently hated it...
I wish the club had a sports psychologist, like it used to. |
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RudeBoy
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| K wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Fasolo has shown enormous bravery to bare his inner demons so publicly. Well done son.
For anyone still clings to this rubbish idea that Bucks doesn't know how to relate to his players, then read this story. He can't speak highly enough of the support he's received from Bucks. Reading this story has made me proud of my club. |
Well after the disgusting way Marsh was treated by Leading Flogs in 2016, the club would certainly want to step up in the mental health department... |
I warned everyone years ago about the destructive effect Leading Teams would have. Unfortunately, it's taken us, and a number of other clubs, several wasted years to reach the same conclusion. |
How was Marsh treated??
It seems Leading Teams was brought in by Bucks...MM apparently hated it...
I wish the club had a sports psychologist, like it used to. |
From memory, I think our last sports psychologist was Simon Lloyd?? |
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35forever
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I never got much on why or how we lost Marsh. Not delisted, not traded, just went home & gave it away at top level.The kid had all the tools, unfortunately he also had one coaching him. Its cost us several really smart young guys. Marsh could have been a gun, as Could Kyle Martin. That kid reminded me of Greening, he was agile, skilful, and kicked regular goals. His 3 gams in his first year were excellent and netted 6 goals or so. Then he was dropped because Buck's mate Dasher Young was fit again. Didn’t get another look until the following year. He played a game as a sub, came on well into the last, and that was it. No more. He won our 2s B&F but was so disgusted by his treatment that he chucked the game completely and went back to the VFL. Just 2 of the kids who couldn’t stay under Suckley. There will be more.
Anyone fool enough to believe a player tells the media the truth about his coach really needs a long hard think, especially in a Dictatorship. What do you think would happen? Much like a North Korean telling CNN that KJU is a stupid fat nut-job.
Fortunately Faz is one of Buckley's pets so we should get to keep him. God help any kid who isn't, Keefe is an example, payed great games in the twos most weeks but never got a shot. He was also among our best in the first pre-season game, but was it. We could use him. White too was showing good form in the twos, but chucked it in last week because he knows he's not getting any more games under Buckley. I hope he likes Marty Hoare.
2018 will simply be a matter of how well our boys can go without a coach, as we've decided not to bother with one. My hope is that Pendles takes on more "on-field coaching". He & Steelo could run the game with no one in the box, and we'd win 19 games.
I think Faz will have his best year in 2018, he did it this year despite missing several games, passing 200 points for the first time in his career. He's one of the best goal sneaks in the game, and worked harder than I've ever seen him work in the second half of the year.
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| 35forever wrote: | I never got much on why or how we lost Marsh. Not delisted, not traded, just went home & gave it away at top level.The kid had all the tools, unfortunately he also had one coaching him. Its cost us several really smart young guys. Marsh could have been a gun, as Could Kyle Martin. That kid reminded me of Greening, he was agile, skilful, and kicked regular goals. His 3 gams in his first year were excellent and netted 6 goals or so. Then he was dropped because Buck's mate Dasher Young was fit again. Didn’t get another look until the following year. He played a game as a sub, came on well into the last, and that was it. No more. He won our 2s B&F but was so disgusted by his treatment that he chucked the game completely and went back to the VFL. Just 2 of the kids who couldn’t stay under Suckley. There will be more.
Anyone fool enough to believe a player tells the media the truth about his coach really needs a long hard think, especially in a Dictatorship. What do you think would happen? Much like a North Korean telling CNN that KJU is a stupid fat nut-job.
Fortunately Faz is one of Buckley's pets so we should get to keep him. God help any kid who isn't, Keefe is an example, payed great games in the twos most weeks but never got a shot. He was also among our best in the first pre-season game, but was it. We could use him. White too was showing good form in the twos, but chucked it in last week because he knows he's not getting any more games under Buckley. I hope he likes Marty Hoare.
2018 will simply be a matter of how well our boys can go without a coach, as we've decided not to bother with one. My hope is that Pendles takes on more "on-field coaching". He & Steelo could run the game with no one in the box, and we'd win 19 games.
I think Faz will have his best year in 2018, he did it this year despite missing several games, passing 200 points for the first time in his career. He's one of the best goal sneaks in the game, and worked harder than I've ever seen him work in the second half of the year. |
i find it very amusing when coaches are blamed for a player failing to make it. If the player went on to have a stellar career at another club, MAYBE i would support the view, but as far as i can tell neither Martin nor Marsh look like AFL players.
Just because you happen to like the potential of a player, doesn't mean the coach did something wrong because your view was naive!!!
Of greater interest, i have watched Buckley bring the best out of numerous players that other clubs had otherwise given up on. Lyndon Dunn, Travis Varcoe, Will Hoskin Elliot, Jack Crisp to name but a few. No doubt Buckley has done something wrong with those guys too.
And just to pre-empt the haters likely response to this, if Lyndon Dunn wasnt good enough to get a game at Melbourne and yet he is our best key defensive player, doesnt it tell you something about the relative list strengths at Melbourne and Collingwood. And if our list isn't as good as Melbourne's, then isn't it great how competitive Buckley has made the pies despite this fact.
ONe of these days, Collingwood fans will accept two years of bottom dwelling so that we can recruit the best players in the country to Collingwood! Until then, we continue to do our best with limitations on the assets we have at our disposal. one of those assets is the great man, Nathan Buckley. It would be nice to acknowledge that once in a while.
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| E wrote: | | One of these days, Collingwood fans will accept two years of bottom dwelling so that we can recruit the best players in the country to Collingwood! Until then, we continue to do our best with limitations on the assets we have at our disposal. One of those assets is the great man, Nathan Buckley. It would be nice to acknowledge that once in a while. |
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Thank you, E. |
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There is not necessarily any link between Faz's condition and our current coach, Leading Teams, our sports psychologists or his game day performance.
Depression like Faz has described may be affected by these influences but these may not be the cause at all. As he said, he's an extrovert, and in any walk of life these people can put these facades up to hide inner turmoil and to attempt to deal with it. It catches up eventually. And it's nothing to be ashamed of and certainly not something you can point the finger at someone and blame them.
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| Kwah-LeBaire wrote: | | E wrote: | | One of these days, Collingwood fans will accept two years of bottom dwelling so that we can recruit the best players in the country to Collingwood! Until then, we continue to do our best with limitations on the assets we have at our disposal. One of those assets is the great man, Nathan Buckley. It would be nice to acknowledge that once in a while. |
Acknowledged.
Thank you, E. |
you're welcome Nathan!
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| E wrote: | ...
Of greater interest, i have watched Buckley bring the best out of numerous players that other clubs had otherwise given up on. Lyndon Dunn, Travis Varcoe, Will Hoskin Elliot, Jack Crisp to name but a few. No doubt Buckley has done something wrong with those guys too.
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E, are these really examples of players Buckley brought the best out of? It could be argued that some of these are just examples of astute recruiting. It could also be argued that some of these are examples of neither (i.e. are at best moderate wins for us).
WHE, for example, just had a lot of injuries and was competing against a multitude of first-round picks at his former club. It's not clear to me that Varcoe is a better player than he was at Geelong, although many here seem to believe it. His last season at Geelong and first season at Collingwood look quite similar statistically. And he seems to have had quite a few injuries at both clubs, making it comparison harder. |
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| 35forever wrote: | I never got much on why or how we lost Marsh. Not delisted, not traded, just went home & gave it away at top level.The kid had all the tools, unfortunately he also had one coaching him. Its cost us several really smart young guys. Marsh could have been a gun, as Could Kyle Martin. That kid reminded me of Greening, he was agile, skilful, and kicked regular goals. His 3 gams in his first year were excellent and netted 6 goals or so. Then he was dropped because Buck's mate Dasher Young was fit again. Didn’t get another look until the following year. He played a game as a sub, came on well into the last, and that was it. No more. He won our 2s B&F but was so disgusted by his treatment that he chucked the game completely and went back to the VFL. Just 2 of the kids who couldn’t stay under Suckley. There will be more.
Anyone fool enough to believe a player tells the media the truth about his coach really needs a long hard think, especially in a Dictatorship. What do you think would happen? Much like a North Korean telling CNN that KJU is a stupid fat nut-job.
Fortunately Faz is one of Buckley's pets so we should get to keep him. God help any kid who isn't, Keefe is an example, payed great games in the twos most weeks but never got a shot. He was also among our best in the first pre-season game, but was it. We could use him. White too was showing good form in the twos, but chucked it in last week because he knows he's not getting any more games under Buckley. I hope he likes Marty Hoare.
2018 will simply be a matter of how well our boys can go without a coach, as we've decided not to bother with one. My hope is that Pendles takes on more "on-field coaching". He & Steelo could run the game with no one in the box, and we'd win 19 games.
I think Faz will have his best year in 2018, he did it this year despite missing several games, passing 200 points for the first time in his career. He's one of the best goal sneaks in the game, and worked harder than I've ever seen him work in the second half of the year. |
I recall Marsh went home strictly for personal family type reasons, nothing to do with Bucks, but you never miss a chance to poleaxe the coach, so why change now eh. Your utter snide remarks on Bucks are completely at odds with Pendles and the players, who have stated they all admire him greatly and want to play for him. If Bucks did go, I only wanted him repaced by either Longmire or Clarkson, and that was out of the question. I didn't want him replaced by some jerk like Barker, Dew or someone totally untried, and the player clearly supported Bucks, just look at how we rounded off the season, with a fantastic win in the last game that sent the Dees, packing of to the snowfields, guess that means zilch to your grumpiness though . Fasolo has been promising a lot for some years now, and really has not delivered, hes been given umpteen chances. I like him, but its not as if he hasn't had his chances, plays bout one good game out of every four. White was given a lot of time, turn it up, he had his chances, and then some. Id be inclined to swap Fas for Stringer, if we could. Be a win win for both teams maybe.
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| It's not grumpiness it's pure agenda. |
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| 35forever wrote: | I never got much on why or how we lost Marsh. Not delisted, not traded, just went home & gave it away at top level.The kid had all the tools, unfortunately he also had one coaching him. Its cost us several really smart young guys. Marsh could have been a gun, as Could Kyle Martin. That kid reminded me of Greening, he was agile, skilful, and kicked regular goals. His 3 gams in his first year were excellent and netted 6 goals or so. Then he was dropped because Buck's mate Dasher Young was fit again. Didn’t get another look until the following year. He played a game as a sub, came on well into the last, and that was it. No more. He won our 2s B&F but was so disgusted by his treatment that he chucked the game completely and went back to the VFL. Just 2 of the kids who couldn’t stay under Suckley. There will be more.
Anyone fool enough to believe a player tells the media the truth about his coach really needs a long hard think, especially in a Dictatorship. What do you think would happen? Much like a North Korean telling CNN that KJU is a stupid fat nut-job.
Fortunately Faz is one of Buckley's pets so we should get to keep him. God help any kid who isn't, Keefe is an example, payed great games in the twos most weeks but never got a shot. He was also among our best in the first pre-season game, but was it. We could use him. White too was showing good form in the twos, but chucked it in last week because he knows he's not getting any more games under Buckley. I hope he likes Marty Hoare.
2018 will simply be a matter of how well our boys can go without a coach, as we've decided not to bother with one. My hope is that Pendles takes on more "on-field coaching". He & Steelo could run the game with no one in the box, and we'd win 19 games.
I think Faz will have his best year in 2018, he did it this year despite missing several games, passing 200 points for the first time in his career. He's one of the best goal sneaks in the game, and worked harder than I've ever seen him work in the second half of the year. |
Laughable comparison of KM to John Greening.
Greening before being king hit by O'dea, was a star of the competition.
KM was a plodder and did not have a single attribute to match the exquiste talent of JG.
Mate you have lost credibility here again with your misguided anti-Bucks posts. |
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| K wrote: |
E, are these really examples of players Buckley brought the best out of? It could be argued that some of these are just examples of astute recruiting.... |
Astute recruiting? Now, there are two words not normally associated with us.   |
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | 35forever wrote: | I never got much on why or how we lost Marsh. Not delisted, not traded, just went home & gave it away at top level.The kid had all the tools, unfortunately he also had one coaching him. Its cost us several really smart young guys. Marsh could have been a gun, as Could Kyle Martin. That kid reminded me of Greening, he was agile, skilful, and kicked regular goals. His 3 gams in his first year were excellent and netted 6 goals or so. Then he was dropped because Buck's mate Dasher Young was fit again. Didn’t get another look until the following year. He played a game as a sub, came on well into the last, and that was it. No more. He won our 2s B&F but was so disgusted by his treatment that he chucked the game completely and went back to the VFL. Just 2 of the kids who couldn’t stay under Suckley. There will be more.
Anyone fool enough to believe a player tells the media the truth about his coach really needs a long hard think, especially in a Dictatorship. What do you think would happen? Much like a North Korean telling CNN that KJU is a stupid fat nut-job.
Fortunately Faz is one of Buckley's pets so we should get to keep him. God help any kid who isn't, Keefe is an example, payed great games in the twos most weeks but never got a shot. He was also among our best in the first pre-season game, but was it. We could use him. White too was showing good form in the twos, but chucked it in last week because he knows he's not getting any more games under Buckley. I hope he likes Marty Hoare.
2018 will simply be a matter of how well our boys can go without a coach, as we've decided not to bother with one. My hope is that Pendles takes on more "on-field coaching". He & Steelo could run the game with no one in the box, and we'd win 19 games.
I think Faz will have his best year in 2018, he did it this year despite missing several games, passing 200 points for the first time in his career. He's one of the best goal sneaks in the game, and worked harder than I've ever seen him work in the second half of the year. |
Laughable comparison of KM to John Greening.
Greening before being king hit by O'dea, was a star of the competition.
KM was a plodder and did not have a single attribute to match the exquiste talent of JG.
Mate you have lost credibility here again with your misguided anti-Bucks posts. |
I watched John from the stands and at the time he was assaulted he was not a player of the competition he was THE player of the competition.
Seriously he was the complete player able to win the ball in the air and on the ground with ease and poise. He was damaging by foot and hand and could seriously tear any side a new hole within a few plays. |
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Faz has been giving his all during games which is a lot different to Stringer the last year or two. That guy has the terrible habit of hanging back waiting for the easy ball too often.
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