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Tannin 
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^ Indeed. Although not in the least surprising. The loss of top-level predators is well understood. Most of Australia's mammal extinctions were a pretty direct consequence of the loss of top-line predators. (Not the Thylacine, not the Toolache Wallaby: they were both quite unusual insofar as they were directly wiped out by humans.) Most of the Australian mammals lost in the last 200 years, however, were a consequence of foxes (and to a lesser extent cats), both introduced mid-level predators. In areas where the one and only Australian top-line predator remained in reasonable numbers (i.e., north of the Dog Fence), mammal extinctions remained uncommon until the last couple of decades. (Dingos hate foxes. Wipe out the Dingos, the foxes run wild, and you lose species.)
In inland Australian deserts (NT, WA, far-north SA) most recent mammal extinctions took place in the second half of the 20th century, again after the loss of the primary top-line predator - in this case, humans, who walked of the land and into settlements and missions. Until about 1960 (very roughly) cat numbers in the deserts were very low because people hunted them. Pussy cat was good tucker and easy (!) to catch, they reckoned. Since then, many species have been lost.
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Stick this in the pile with confirmed Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster sightings, I'd say.
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^ Correct. They all have something in common: they all "just happen" to be highly suggestive (to the ill-educated and/or credulous), they all get maximum air-time on low-quality media consumed by not-too-brights (such as the Herald=Sun), and they never, ever produce a photograph which stands up to proper scrutiny, let alone one tiny shred of hard evidence - and note that hard evidence (hair, scats, any body part or excretion such as saliva on a chewed bone) which contains DNA is easy to collect with (for example) sticky tape on a tree trunk that animals brush past... nothing. Ever.
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Skids 
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Because you know everything 
Animals Rediscovered: 10 Believed Extinct Species Still Alive
Eastern Quoll
This elusive marsupial, believed to have become extinct from mainland Australian more than 50 years ago, was recently rediscovered in New South Wales, according to The Sydney Morning Herald.
Jerdon's Tree Frog (Frankixalus jerdonii)
Jerdon's tree frog was previously last seen in the wild in 1870 and long believed to be extinct.
Myanmar's Jerdon's Babbler
This rare bird went without being spotted for more than 70 years.
Pinocchio Lizard
Renowned for its distinctive nose, the Pinocchio Anolis — also known as the Pinocchio lizard — was believed to be extinct for 50 years
Kashmir Musk Deer
Decimated by Afghanistan's unregulated hunting and deforestation, the Kasmir Musk Deer went unseen from 1948
Black-Footed Ferret
Called North America's rarest mammal by the National Wildlife Federation, this member of the weasel family, hurt by habitat loss and disease, was declared extinct in 1979
Omura's Whale
This little-known pygmy whale was first officially described as a distinct species in 2003, The Christian Science Monitor reported. After years of eluding researchers, it was feared to be extinct.
Crested Gecko
Following its discovery in 1866, the crested gecko went AWOL for many decades and was believed to be extinct.
Black Kokanee
This Japanese salmon was declared extinct in 1940.
Pygmy Tarsier
The elusive pygmy tarsier — a diminutive primate with large eyes —had not been observed for 85 year years and was believed to be extinct.
The rediscovery of these was probably highly suggestive (to the ill educated and/or credulous) too.
https://weather.com/science/nature/news/extinct-animals-making-comeback
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Skids
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And only a few months ago....
'Extinct' Mountain Dogs Rediscovered in the Wild
Unseen for more than 50 years, the New Guinea highland wild dog has at last been confirmed in its natural island habitat.
Hmmmm ... Tassie Tiger declared extinct just 3 decades ago. Don't waste your time looking for it, Tannin and David know there's none around.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/new-guinea-dogs-found-extinct-pictures-animals/
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Tannin
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And how many of the species you cite have had so much as 1/100th of the massive and sustained effort put into finding Thylacines?
None.
How many of your examples are as large and (relatively) easy to find as a Thylacine? One. (And that one in a wild and remote country inaccessible to all but the bravest and most determined scientists.)
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Skids
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| David wrote: | | Stick this in the pile with confirmed Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster sightings, I'd say. |
The arrogance of this post made me laugh.
They're not suggesting to have found a unicorn or tooth fairy David.
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Skids
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| Tannin wrote: | And how many of the species you cite have had so much as 1/100th of the massive and sustained effort put into finding Thylacines?
None.
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And you're 100% certain of that?.... oh wait, of course you are.
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How many of your examples are as large and (relatively) easy to find as a Thylacine? One. (And that one in a wild and remote country inaccessible to all but the bravest and most determined scientists.) |
Ahhh, so there's one. 10% of the species I highlighted. Doesn't that suggest then, that there is, at least some chance the Tiger could still exist?
The Arakan Forest Turtle was last seen in 1908 and was thought to have been extinct by then. It was rediscovered during 1994 in the western area of Myanmar. They weren’t exactly extinct, they just hid out so well for so many years. Today, these creatures are highly endangered and can even be seen in some Asian food markets.
So, a slow moving turtle can hide for almost 100 years, but a cunning marsupial can't... oh no, of course not, you said it couldn't be possible, didn't you? How silly of anyone to think otherwise.
Then there's this other 'little' fellow that was assumed extinct until 2003.
A $£$%^%%$ Elephant! 
Javan Elephant
Scientists have thought that these small elephants were already extinct until Europeans rediscovered them in Southeast Asia. According to a 2003 study, the Borneo pygmy elephant is unique from various other elephants and it has been concluded that they likely came from the Java breed.
I guess they were small ones
And here's one for you David...
Ivory-Billed Woodpecker
This rare animal was thought to be last seen back in 1944 but it resurfaced in 2004. It disappeared for 60 years. The Ivory-Billed Woodpecker has been recognized as the most elusive bird today. It’s so rare to see one. It seems like you’re looking for the Loch Ness monster with this one.
Another tiny creature that was found recently...
Mountain Gorilla
These animals were considered as mythical creatures before. They were only found to be true when explorers looked for them in Africa. Today, around 800 are believed to be in existence and their number is going down.
Caspian Horse - another so tiny it's amazing they found it.
These horses were considered gone by 700 AD but in 1965, they were rediscovered in the Elbruz Mountains. They stand just 40 inches high. Right now, the Caspian Horses can been seen in parts of England and the United States.
Chacoan Peccary
This animal was thought to be instinct for almost 10,000 years until it was rediscovered in 1974. It was originally documented back in 1930. They were based from fossil records. As of today, there are 3,000 creatures like this in the world.
La Gomera Giant Lizard
This lizard was considered to be gone for hundreds of years. It was rediscovered in 1999. There are not more than 200 of them existing today. They are intelligent lizards, being able to avoid detection for decades.
Almost as intelligent as the intellectuals in the Vic Park Tavern hey
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Tannin
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No chance whatever. Dream on. Not one of your examples is relevant to the most-searched-for and most-fantasised-about creature in Australia. They are just the same sort of throw-stuff-at-the-wall bullshit that you cut and paste into the climate threads.
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stui magpie 
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That dog looks a hell of a lot like a Dingo
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| Skids wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | And how many of the species you cite have had so much as 1/100th of the massive and sustained effort put into finding Thylacines?
None.
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And you're 100% certain of that?.... oh wait, of course you are.
| Tannin wrote: |
How many of your examples are as large and (relatively) easy to find as a Thylacine? One. (And that one in a wild and remote country inaccessible to all but the bravest and most determined scientists.) |
Ahhh, so there's one. 10% of the species I highlighted. Doesn't that suggest then, that there is, at least some chance the Tiger could still exist?
The Arakan Forest Turtle was last seen in 1908 and was thought to have been extinct by then. It was rediscovered during 1994 in the western area of Myanmar. They weren’t exactly extinct, they just hid out so well for so many years. Today, these creatures are highly endangered and can even be seen in some Asian food markets.
So, a slow moving turtle can hide for almost 100 years, but a cunning marsupial can't... oh no, of course not, you said it couldn't be possible, didn't you? How silly of anyone to think otherwise.
Then there's this other 'little' fellow that was assumed extinct until 2003.
A $£$%^%%$ Elephant!
Javan Elephant
Scientists have thought that these small elephants were already extinct until Europeans rediscovered them in Southeast Asia. According to a 2003 study, the Borneo pygmy elephant is unique from various other elephants and it has been concluded that they likely came from the Java breed.
I guess they were small ones
And here's one for you David...
Ivory-Billed Woodpecker
This rare animal was thought to be last seen back in 1944 but it resurfaced in 2004. It disappeared for 60 years. The Ivory-Billed Woodpecker has been recognized as the most elusive bird today. It’s so rare to see one. It seems like you’re looking for the Loch Ness monster with this one.
Another tiny creature that was found recently...
Mountain Gorilla
These animals were considered as mythical creatures before. They were only found to be true when explorers looked for them in Africa. Today, around 800 are believed to be in existence and their number is going down.
Caspian Horse - another so tiny it's amazing they found it.
These horses were considered gone by 700 AD but in 1965, they were rediscovered in the Elbruz Mountains. They stand just 40 inches high. Right now, the Caspian Horses can been seen in parts of England and the United States.
Chacoan Peccary
This animal was thought to be instinct for almost 10,000 years until it was rediscovered in 1974. It was originally documented back in 1930. They were based from fossil records. As of today, there are 3,000 creatures like this in the world.
La Gomera Giant Lizard
This lizard was considered to be gone for hundreds of years. It was rediscovered in 1999. There are not more than 200 of them existing today. They are intelligent lizards, being able to avoid detection for decades.
Almost as intelligent as the intellectuals in the Vic Park Tavern hey |
Don't believe climate change, but do believe in thylacines |
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stui magpie
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Far from no Scats have been found, how do you prove they're from a Thylacine?
| Quote: | South Australia’s water authority has acquired DNA analysing technology that allows them to determine what organisms have been in contact with the state’s water — including thylacines.
The Australian Water Quality Centre, which is a business unit of SA Water, has obtained a thylacine sample for its DNA database.
The centre is analysing a number of scats sent in by South Australian thylacine enthusiast Neil Waters, who runs the Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia. |
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/new-hunt-for-tasmanian-tigers-after-reported-sightings-in-queensland/news-story/675d325c9eaa86fbba6757a323a0f73e
James Cook uni in QLD is also dropping a team of academics into remote bushland by chopper to search for stuff, including Thylacines.
| Quote: | The field trial, which runs over four weeks, also fulfils another research purpose — looking at small mammals and the effect of predators in Queensland.
But it was widened to thylacines after researcher Bill Laurance spoke to people with plausible and detailed descriptions of potential thylacines on Cape York Peninsula.
“One of those observers was a long-time employee of the Queensland National Parks Service, and the other was a frequent camper and outdoorsman in north Queensland,” Prof Laurance said.
“All observations of putative thylacines to date have been at night and, in one case, four animals were observed at close range — about 20 feet away — with a spotlight.
“We have cross-checked the descriptions we received of eye shine colour, body size and shape, animal behaviour, and other attributes, and these are inconsistent with known attributes of other large-bodied species in north Queensland such as dingoes, wild dogs and feral pigs.” |
I've never been in the Tassie wilderness but I have driven through the Daintree rainforest from the river up to Cape Tribulation. If there's anywhere on earth critters could hide from detection it's in there.
I'm not saying that they are still around, but i don't discount the possibility. As Skids has pointed out, there's a lot of species that have been declared extinct only to be found again.
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