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Haff Capricorn



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:53 pm
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Just wanted to know what our serious options are for Mayne aside from grin and bear it for 3 more wasted seasons... sorry if another thread exists.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:01 pm
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His market value is (I don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise) less than the future payments we have committed to (over the next 3 years). That makes him a negative asset (liability) for trade purposes and that assumes that a club would want him on the list even if we paid a portion of the salary.

I see only 2 options:

1) continue with him on the list - salary aside he is potentially a reasonable depth player; or

2) negotiate an early exit with him (and free up a list spot) - he might accept slightly less money to be freed from showing up to training/games over the next three years and move on with his life elsewhere in footy or post-footy.

Whatever we do, the payments will form part of the TPP so we have pretty much done our dash there.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:07 pm
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I think we should just delist him and at least that would open a spot on our list for a young kid. His mayne problem is he is way too slow for senior footy.

Unfortunately his $500,000 pa salary for the next 3 years will still be included in our salary cap, making it very hard for us to buy in a quality KPP. All in all it's been an unmitigated disaster. Having said that, it's not Chris Mayne's fault and he's probably a nice guy. I suspect Pert will become the fall guy for this phuck up, though at the time it appeared to be the work of Gabby Allan. What is clear is that someone phucked up big time and it will hinder us for another 3 years.
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Culprit Cancer



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:39 pm
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Convince Mayne to retire in offering a support role at the club on the same money as we uprooted his family to come here and it's not his fault. His coaching during VFL games has been great and that removes his salary from the playing cap to the coaching cap which is only penalised by the socialist tax regime.
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MightyMagpie 



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:49 pm
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Culprit wrote:
Convince Mayne to retire in offering a support role at the club on the same money as we uprooted his family to come here and it's not his fault. His coaching during VFL games has been great and that removes his salary from the playing cap to the coaching cap which is only penalised by the socialist tax regime.


Are you banking on the AFL integrity officer role not being filled while this happens?

I cannot see how the $ we pay would not be part of the TPP. It would clearly be a payout to forego contractual payments that would otherwise be part of the TPP.

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Culprit Cancer



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:55 pm
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That maybe the case and in saying that, the AFL integrity officer can't say to Mayne, "You cannot retire and accept a coaching role at the same club".
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:59 pm
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Culprit wrote:
That maybe the case and in saying that, the AFL integrity officer can't say to Mayne, "You cannot retire and accept a coaching role at the same club".


No, but he can say, and has said, certain creative payments are part of the TPP.

[Edit: AFL Rule 29 for anyone interested: http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL%20Rules%20-%202015.pdf]

The most recent example I can think of is that Sydney have been told that every year of Buddy's contract will be part of the TPP whether or not he retires early.

Mitchell's WCE contract would have had to be signed off on because there was clearly a bit of both playing and coaching and the potential for transfer pricing.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:02 pm
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Does anyone know for certain that Gubby orchestrated the Mayne deal or has he become a convenient scapegoat?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:04 pm
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Ah OK, you are right. Oh well Mayne deal is the deal that keeps on hurting.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:43 pm
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Unless one is educated which I'm not on what the rules do and don't allow when it comes to terminating a contract it's hard to suggest what course of action is the best.

Perhaps we need to wear it for another season before reassessing if no great cost saving option is presently available.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:47 pm
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Umm. I know one comes after zero but I had no idea it was educated which he or she'm not on what the rules do and don't allow when it comes to terminating a contract it's hard to suggest what course of action is the best.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:59 pm
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I'd play Mayne off the half back line to see how he goes. He's a good mark and a good kick. He's not too slow and makes good decisions on the field which is an asset to the team. I don't think we should give up on him. Play him in the senior 22 next year until he runs into form. The problem with Buckley is that he gives up too easily. Cox, Mayne and White got dropped too early and only Cox got back in due to the suspension of Grundy. When you've got players like Smith and Phillips in the side who can't kick it's a total mystery why Cox, Mayne and White didn't play more games than they did. Everybody here just assumes Mayne can't play because he played VFL most of the season. Mayne is not a kick accumulator like Phillips, so people just look at a stat sheet and see Mayne's kicks and handballs in single figures and assume he's no good. In fact Mayne sees the game well and knows what to do with the footy which is more than about half of Mayne's teammates know what to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:59 pm
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From what I can see I hope that we do not have to revert to use him as a backup player as I would hope and expect that our developing players would have passed him. If we have that many injuries that we have to bring him back in it will be another disappointing year.

He has little to no trade value and he is a VFL player at best.

I think that we have no option but to stick with him or pay out his contract.

Not Gibby's finest hours.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:15 pm
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BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
I'd play Mayne off the half back line to see how he goes. He's a good mark and a good kick. He's not too slow and makes good decisions on the field which is an asset to the team. I don't think we should give up on him. Play him in the senior 22 next year until he runs into form. The problem with Buckley is that he gives up too easily. Cox, Mayne and White got dropped too early and only Cox got back in due to the suspension of Grundy. When you've got players like Smith and Phillips in the side who can't kick it's a total mystery why Cox, Mayne and White didn't play more games than they did. Everybody here just assumes Mayne can't play because he played VFL most of the season. Mayne is not a kick accumulator like Phillips, so people just look at a stat sheet and see Mayne's kicks and handballs in single figures and assume he's no good. In fact Mayne sees the game well and knows what to do with the footy which is more than about half of Mayne's teammates know what to do.

He's not even getting kicks in the VFL, how's he supposed to be better in the AFL. And to say he's not too slow is acutely wrong. I've been to most of the VFL games and I can tell you that what I've said is fact. He would only be taking the spot of a youngster.

He's done at AFL level.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:17 pm
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I'd speak to Mayne and renegotiate his contract. Rather than 3 years at $500,000, say to him we will pay him $100,000 over the next 20 years so he can retire from footy, give us a roster spot and only account for $100K per year (which is nothing given the current cap)
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