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MightyMagpie
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Maynard's bro (Melb list) carving up in the VFL: Maynard with one of the best first halfs around stoppage that you'll see. Remarkable. 10 clearances in just over a quarter. #VFL (Brett Anderson)
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Mitch Brown might be a cheap KPD backup option ... back in Melb and playing amateurs at St Kevin's now. Would be on WCE lost, but for the Sam Mitchell deal which caused WCE to pull their offer (list space I assume).
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Cox 2020 and Goldy 2018 re-signed.
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Dredging through various media reports and the position seems to be that the 2 picks / 4 years future pick trading restriction comes in in 2019 for the first four year block of 2015-2018 so we could potentially still trade 2017 and 2018 firsts and then suffer any consequent restrictions post 2019 if the AFL doesn't exempt us.
AFL arguably should not approve any trade that would (likely) lead to non-compliance with 2 picks / 4 years, but they have shown with Geelong they won't do that.
That is, we wouldn't be compliant with the 2 picks in four years (2015-2018 in this case), but the consequence (restrictions post 2019) is not severe enough to disincentivise doing it. Makes a farce of the rule attempting to restrict trading too many first rounders especially since it appears that you can in fact trade away every first rounder from 2015 onwards even after 2019 just by trading it in the current year (not as a future pick). It begs the question of why they bothered to have it as a supposed restriction.
Anyway, this is great news in the short term as we can potentially trade 2017 and 2018 firsts (eg Lynch, Lever) and pay the price (restrictions) down the track.
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Hypothetical ...
Primary List (39 currently) changes:
OFF (5):
White (retired)
Blair
Sinclair
Crocker
Sier
ON (6) (taking primary list to 40):
Draftee T Brown FS
Cox (from rookie list)
Thomas (from rookie list)
[leaves 3 spots for trades/FAs - see below]
Rookie List (6 currently) changes:
OFF:
Cox (to primary list)
Thomas (to primary list)
Mackie (delist)
ON:
Crocker
Sier
FA Targets:
#1 Jackson Trengrove RFA (PTA) Kane Cornes reports PTA won't match
#2 Tom Rockliff RFA (BRI) assuming BRI happy to take FA compensation
#3 Keegan Brooksby Delisted FA (GCS)
Trade Targets:
#1 Jake Lever (ADE) = ~1st and 3rd (could be 6 and 36)
#2 Tom Lynch (GCS) = ~2 1sts, maybe with 3rd back (could be 6 and 2018 1st)
#3 Tom Rockliff RFA (BRI) assuming BRI match offer.
#4 Trent McKenzie (GCS) out of contract
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5 delistings sounds right
White retired
Blair for sure
Crocker just hasn't done enough
Sier still untried & see the value in rookie listing
It is the 5th that worries me. I see Sinclair having something that would help our team. He breaks lines and gives those upfield the advantage. That happens twice a game and we are in business.
So who is the fifth delisting....
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Does anyone know if the Fasolo thing is for real?
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MightyMagpie
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The GCS carcass: http://www.3aw.com.au/the-10-gold-coast-suns-on-the-trade-table/
Matt Shaw Mid 188cm/86kg
Brandon Matera Fwd 173cm/77kg
Trent McKenzie Def 190cm/86kg
Daniel Currie Ruck 201cm/99kg
Jack Leslie Def 197cm/98kg
Michael Rischitelli Mid 185cm/84kg
Jesse Lonergan Mid 184cm/91kg
Rory Thompson (contracted) Def 200cm/100kg
Tom Nicholls (contracted) Ruck 203cm/102kg
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thesoretoothsayer
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Wow.
Both Thompson and Leslie are key defenders, right? |
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Pies2016
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: |
Wow.
Both Thompson and Leslie are key defenders, right? |
Interesting. Rory Thompson ( G C zone ) looked the real deal about three years and then it went down hill from there. Had a lot of injuries. Good in one on ones but has never won much of the footy ( at all ) on the rebound. Similar type to Nathan brown but a better kick.
Leslie ( pick 20 2013 ) played very well for them early in the season but seemed out of favour later in the season. Looks very promising and gets a bit of the footy to offer some rebound. Looked OK in one on ones too.
I would hope the Pies would be having a chat to him at least. He might be a good fit.
Just seems the GCS have trouble developing players. I would really like to think anyone we may pick up from there, would have some reasonable improvement in them. |
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| Brilliant. Thanks so much for the info. |
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MightyMagpie
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I know we have Grundy and Cox, but it sounds as though Nicholls will be available very cheap and possibly even as a rookie. I'd love to take a punt on him ... I remember seeing him a while back and thinking he would be the next Nic Nat.
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Nicholls has played some good footy in the past but I just reckon there will be other clubs that could guarantee him a better go in the ruck than what we could. Do rate him a bit though.
I still haven't worked out whether Nicholls went backwards in 2017 or whether Witts just came on leaps and bounds.
I still like Leslie from that list when it comes to filling a hole on our current list. |
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| nashy17 wrote: | | Does anyone know if the Fasolo thing is for real? |
check out the Faz thread for some helpful color on this. i'd be surprised if he leaves his current environment.
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| MightyMagpie wrote: | Dredging through various media reports and the position seems to be that the 2 picks / 4 years future pick trading restriction comes in in 2019 for the first four year block of 2015-2018 so we could potentially still trade 2017 and 2018 firsts and then suffer any consequent restrictions post 2019 if the AFL doesn't exempt us.
AFL arguably should not approve any trade that would (likely) lead to non-compliance with 2 picks / 4 years, but they have shown with Geelong they won't do that.
That is, we wouldn't be compliant with the 2 picks in four years (2015-2018 in this case), but the consequence (restrictions post 2019) is not severe enough to disincentivise doing it. Makes a farce of the rule attempting to restrict trading too many first rounders especially since it appears that you can in fact trade away every first rounder from 2015 onwards even after 2019 just by trading it in the current year (not as a future pick). It begs the question of why they bothered to have it as a supposed restriction.
Anyway, this is great news in the short term as we can potentially trade 2017 and 2018 firsts (eg Lynch, Lever) and pay the price (restrictions) down the track. |
if you want to understand the reason for the restriction, check out the Knicks. In the NBA they try to make sure you cant trade away the next ten years of your franchise!!
Still not without problems. the Brooklyn Nets did a stupid trade where they traded first round picks in 2016 and 2018 to Boston, BUT even worse, they agreed to a swap with Boston of first rounders in 2017. The result. In 2017, Boston got the number 1 pick and gave the nets the 28 pick.
Effectively gave away three top 3 draft picks for a bunch of soon to be retired mugs. Easily the worst deal in history.
The truth is that bad clubs with bad administrations need to be protected from themselves so that their fans can at least have HOPe when their team sucks!
I qualify this by noting that high draft picks REALLY matter in the NBA (as great players are usually only found in the top 10). It matters much less so in footy because a team needs 18 spots and guys are drafted at such a young age you dont know what their full potential really is.!
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