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thesoretoothsayer
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| watt price tully wrote: | This is my last and final post on this matter until my next post. I say this without fear of contradiction.
Can I say I love "Blue Juice" on 3PBS on Sunday mornings, pm & the show that follows. Brilliant.
H is
H isn't
Some do it their way
Some do it differently
Good day and good night. |
Agree (for once). Blue Juice and The Juke Joint are absolute pearlers. |
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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| think positive wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Um. Why do I need to compare anything? Bullying is bullying, the degree doesn't matter. You should be able to go to work and have the expectation you won't be called names, racial or otherwise. |
I agree with you TP that bullying of any kind should not be tolerated in any workplace. I guess, where I see this case differently to you, is that nothing I've heard from 'H' convinces me that he was bullied at Collingwood. Furthermore, however, if 'H' perceived the nickname 'chimp' he was given by some (we don't know how many) after watching him perform some crazy dance routine, to be a form of bullying, then he should have brought it to the club's attention, and in particular to the attention of Malthouse, who was coach at the time. If no-one was aware that any offense was taken by this, then how in the hell could the club have taken any action over it?
I've been heavily involved in working with Aboriginal youths for over a decade and I am militantly opposed to any form of racism, whether overt or covert. I loved 'H' as a player and admired his public stance on racism and many other social issues. However, in this instance, it seems to me that 'H' is simply playing the victim card as a form of attention seeking, and that he actually revels in being an 'outsider'. Part of me genuinely worries for his mental health - remember his incoherent ranting about suicide and sexual abuse? - but a part of me is angry that he has gone out of his way to attack Bucks, Eddie and our club, when they have done nothing but support him up until the moment he told our coach he was "a phucking idiot". At that moment he should have been sacked on the spot. |
I tend to agree on most points. I watched the interview on the Project, I don't believe he is just consciously attention seeking, he seems extremely passionate about it. Almost unhealthily for something that happened a while back.
I don't believe he was deliberately bullied, I tend to think he took offence in hindsight to things that happened in the past and is struggling with them. Yes, maybe a mental health issue or maybe just a personality thing where he';s fixated on something and can't let it go.
Personally I think the club has handled it well. They aren't being drawn into a public spat or denigrating H, but are doing their stuff behind the scenes. At the moment that appears to be frustrating him more because he's throwing the rocks and can't get a public bite.
I hope it ends well, I always had a lot of time for H as a player and he is and always will be a premiership legend of the club. |
Ok guys, please read Rudeboys reply. It's a lesson in how to disagree without being a shit to get your point across. As usual. And so is stuis reply. I reckon the truth probably lies some where in the middle of all the arguements.
There is no doubt in my mind that Harry probably wasn't comfortable with his nickname after the original dance scene, and kept quiet because that's what good ol boys do. I also don't doubt that there was no malice intended by any of the players. I also don't doubt, due to Faz talking so freely about his experiences with depression, that a lot has changed. Our club seems more vanilla under Bucks, but in this case, that's a good thing. You should be able to communicate, disagree, support, correct, even discipline, without name calling. Criticise the action, not the person. One thing Bucks is the absolute mater of, is communicating. I've seen it first hand at training. And after training. I've had a couple of conversations with him, and he's guarded, who can blame him, but gees he's impressive. And that just makes me want all the more for him to lead us to the top again.
That doesn't mean I believe he will! But as usual at the end of the season, after a couple of weeks, the hope begins to build again! Cheers |
I disagree with the logic of your no doubt comment.
H was quite prepared to publically challenge Buckley in relation to an issue that was really none of H's business, being the reference to Les.
That being the case, it is incongruous that he would not raise an objection with a team mate that called him Chimp as a result of a dance move, if he was uncomfortable with that st the time.
But then again, what would I know about the way that H's brain works. He was upset and bewildered because he couldn't meet Obama, and we know how he reacted to Ali's death, even though he never saw him fight. |
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K
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: |
I agree with you TP that bullying of any kind should not be tolerated in any workplace. I guess, where I see this case differently to you, is that nothing I've heard from 'H' convinces me that he was bullied at Collingwood. Furthermore, however, if 'H' perceived the nickname 'chimp' he was given by some (we don't know how many) after watching him perform some crazy dance routine, to be a form of bullying, then he should have brought it to the club's attention, and in particular to the attention of Malthouse, who was coach at the time. If no-one was aware that any offense was taken by this, then how in the hell could the club have taken any action over it?
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I don't believe he was deliberately bullied, I tend to think he took offence in hindsight to things that happened in the past and is struggling with them.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Harry probably wasn't comfortable with his nickname after the original dance scene, and kept quiet because that's what good ol boys do. I also don't doubt that there was no malice intended by any of the players.
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I disagree with the logic of your no doubt comment.
H was quite prepared to publically challenge Buckley in relation to an issue that was really none of H's business, being the reference to Les.
That being the case, it is incongruous that he would not raise an objection with a team mate that called him Chimp as a result of a dance move, if he was uncomfortable with that st the time.
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5ftwod, H really didn't publicly challenge Bucks about something that was none of his business:
i) Bucks mockingly or jokingly (depending on one's perspective) asked H in front of the playing group about Seedsman's feelings about being called Les, and H was reacting to this perceived mockery.
ii) H lost his cool and had a go at Bucks in his office, so it's a big stretch to call it a public challenge.
It seems a bit odd to me that so many here find it hard to believe that someone might reasonably have been offended by such a nickname at the time, or that someone in such a situation might not feel empowered to protest.
FWIW, H is reported to have raised the allegations with the club four years ago. |
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Piesnchess
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H did not exactly set the world on fire at the Deeeeeeees, just saying. More issues ??
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Pies4shaw 
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The lad came off the rookie list, barely able to read the flight of the Sherrin in the marking-contest in his early games. Yet, he overcame his deficiencies to become a bona fide star and ended up playing the same number of AFL games as the great Luke Ball. All-Australian in a premiership year. At his peak, H was one of Collingwood's greatest-ever half-back flankers. Whatever issues he might have had, they didn't stop him playing brilliant football for my team. His route to the AFL and the way he took his chance when it came indicates a capacity for tremendous application and hard work and a single-minded determination.
By the time he went to Melbourne, he was slowing up a little. We did well to get Varcoe, who was younger and had played far less bruising football than H had done by the same stage but that doesn't diminish the crucial role H played for us. |
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RudeBoy
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | The lad came off the rookie list, barely able to read the flight of the Sherrin in the marking-contest in his early games. Yet, he overcame his deficiencies to become a bona fide star and ended up playing the same number of AFL games as the great Luke Ball. All-Australian in a premiership year. At his peak, H was one of Collingwood's greatest-ever half-back flankers. Whatever issues he might have had, they didn't stop him playing brilliant football for my team. His route to the AFL and the way he took his chance when it came indicates a capacity for tremendous application and hard work and a single-minded determination.
By the time he went to Melbourne, he was slowing up a little. We did well to get Varcoe, who was younger and had played far less bruising football than H had done by the same stage but that doesn't diminish the crucial role H played for us. |
Spot on. |
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droversdog65
Joined: 27 Nov 2014
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| K wrote: | | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: |
I agree with you TP that bullying of any kind should not be tolerated in any workplace. I guess, where I see this case differently to you, is that nothing I've heard from 'H' convinces me that he was bullied at Collingwood. Furthermore, however, if 'H' perceived the nickname 'chimp' he was given by some (we don't know how many) after watching him perform some crazy dance routine, to be a form of bullying, then he should have brought it to the club's attention, and in particular to the attention of Malthouse, who was coach at the time. If no-one was aware that any offense was taken by this, then how in the hell could the club have taken any action over it?
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I don't believe he was deliberately bullied, I tend to think he took offence in hindsight to things that happened in the past and is struggling with them.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Harry probably wasn't comfortable with his nickname after the original dance scene, and kept quiet because that's what good ol boys do. I also don't doubt that there was no malice intended by any of the players.
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I disagree with the logic of your no doubt comment.
H was quite prepared to publically challenge Buckley in relation to an issue that was really none of H's business, being the reference to Les.
That being the case, it is incongruous that he would not raise an objection with a team mate that called him Chimp as a result of a dance move, if he was uncomfortable with that st the time.
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5ftwod, H really didn't publicly challenge Bucks about something that was none of his business:
i) Bucks mockingly or jokingly (depending on one's perspective) asked H in front of the playing group about Seedsman's feelings about being called Les, and H was reacting to this perceived mockery.
ii) H lost his cool and had a go at Bucks in his office, so it's a big stretch to call it a public challenge.
It seems a bit odd to me that so many here find it hard to believe that someone might reasonably have been offended by such a nickname at the time, or that someone in such a situation might not feel empowered to protest.
FWIW, H is reported to have raised the allegations with the club four years ago. |
Reported by who and to whom?
Witnesses?
Depositions?
Facts?? |
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Redlight
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Has anyone seen his website?
http://www.heritierlumumba.com/
He describes himself thus;
| Quote: | Héritier Lumumba is a visionary who specialises in the empowerment of oppressed communities through mindfulness practices, principles of spirituality, and capacity development.
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Also this regarding the documentary;
| Quote: | | The film, which will be released late 2016 in Australia, will tell the story of Heritier’s path from the slums of Rio de Janeiro to the dizzying heights of Australian celebrity as a premier athlete, admired leader, and emerging voice of conscious living. |
This kind of stuff is bordering on delusional. It's his own history of hyperbole that makes everything he says less credible, not anything the club has done. |
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masoncox
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I have worked 40 years in hard jobs and raised 2 families one with a very sick wife. As a kid I lived in a small country town in a housing commission house in a street full of societies riff raff. We all have crosses to bear but a pampered overpaid athlete and a non family man promoting himself as a leader of the oppressed is laughable.
Just another self promoting bloke who loves the limelight but never the hard grind of a boring trival life that most of us live. |
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droversdog65
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| masoncox wrote: | I have worked 40 years in hard jobs and raised 2 families one with a very sick wife. As a kid I lived in a small country town in a housing commission house in a street full of societies riff raff. We all have crosses to bear but a pampered overpaid athlete and a non family man promoting himself as a leader of the oppressed is laughable.
Just another self promoting bloke who loves the limelight but never the hard grind of a boring trival life that most of us live. |
Not enough 'likes' in the world for this post.
Leader of the oppresses?
Give me a friggin break! |
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Location: The Collibran Hideout
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| Redlight wrote: | Has anyone seen his website?
http://www.heritierlumumba.com/
He describes himself thus;
| Quote: | Héritier Lumumba is a visionary who specialises in the empowerment of oppressed communities through mindfulness practices, principles of spirituality, and capacity development.
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Also this regarding the documentary;
| Quote: | | The film, which will be released late 2016 in Australia, will tell the story of Heritier’s path from the slums of Rio de Janeiro to the dizzying heights of Australian celebrity as a premier athlete, admired leader, and emerging voice of conscious living. |
This kind of stuff is bordering on delusional. It's his own history of hyperbole that makes everything he says less credible, not anything the club has done. |
I had a look at the site.
Based upon the saying "If you cannot say anything nice, then do not say anything at all" that is all I have to say.
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Woods 
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
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There's this gem from H's web page about the things he can talk about if hired to give a presentation:
Self-love: how to fall deeply in love with yourself.
Reckon he's well qualified for that one.
http://www.heritierlumumba.com/leader/ |
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watt price tully 
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| masoncox wrote: | I have worked 40 years in hard jobs and raised 2 families one with a very sick wife. As a kid I lived in a small country town in a housing commission house in a street full of societies riff raff. We all have crosses to bear but a pampered overpaid athlete and a non family man promoting himself as a leader of the oppressed is laughable.
Just another self promoting bloke who loves the limelight but never the hard grind of a boring trival life that most of us live. |
Relevance?
I work my arse off too, working very long hours & the last 16 years lots of friggin' shift work. I've always worked very hard & long hours. My parents always instilled the need to work & study hard no matter what endeavour you're in.
Relevance to H?
Zilch, nada, niente, bugger-all and SFA.
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watt price tully
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| Redlight wrote: | Has anyone seen his website?
http://www.heritierlumumba.com/
He describes himself thus;
| Quote: | Héritier Lumumba is a visionary who specialises in the empowerment of oppressed communities through mindfulness practices, principles of spirituality, and capacity development.
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Also this regarding the documentary;
| Quote: | | The film, which will be released late 2016 in Australia, will tell the story of Heritier’s path from the slums of Rio de Janeiro to the dizzying heights of Australian celebrity as a premier athlete, admired leader, and emerging voice of conscious living. |
This kind of stuff is bordering on delusional. It's his own history of hyperbole that makes everything he says less credible, not anything the club has done. |
I don't understand the histrionic reaction "bordering on the delusional"
If you want to be a blogger with an international profile should you:
1. Down play achievements?
2. Don't write about one's acheivements?
3. Emphasise the positive & eliminate the negative so to speak
4. Highlight certain facts & ignore others (sounds like a lawyer)
I would imagine it's a bit like a CV/resume but for social media to develop an audience.
My first reaction was "tickets on oneself" & the usual tall poppy palarva but more seriously if you're going to market yourself then why not do what H has done?
My CV has:
Strengths: my modesty
Weakness: my humilty
My current mission: to solve the mid east crisis through said mindfullness.
Next week: Neuro-surgery: also through mindfullness
The week after: re baptizing religious fundamentalists (of all persuasions) by keeping them under water longer: through mindfullness
The week after that: why I continue to support Bucks, through mindlessness
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masoncox
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| watt price tully wrote: | | masoncox wrote: | I have worked 40 years in hard jobs and raised 2 families one with a very sick wife. As a kid I lived in a small country town in a housing commission house in a street full of societies riff raff. We all have crosses to bear but a pampered overpaid athlete and a non family man promoting himself as a leader of the oppressed is laughable.
Just another self promoting bloke who loves the limelight but never the hard grind of a boring trival life that most of us live. |
Relevance?
I work my arse off too, working very long hours & the last 16 years lots of friggin' shift work. I've always worked very hard & long hours. My parents always instilled the need to work & study hard no matter what endeavour you're in.
Relevance to H?
Zilch, nada, niente, bugger-all and SFA. |
The world is full of of so called do gooders who masquerade as leaders and spokespeople for the oppressed and H is one of them. Like that amazing rich private school that sends its students to remote aboriginal communities so they can help the poor bastards. And then they go home to Toorak to see mummy and daddy who ask did he/she help the poor dears? Just like his big promoted journey to Rio a couple of years ago, but he made it a media beatup about his journey back to his past ( he left Rio as a 3 year old) but he never stopped there to help the poor dears.
H is putting himself up as an oppressed person and deliberately playing the race card but I bet he is not doing the hard yards of helping out the oppressed and unfortunates like some do. No, he wants to be the spokesperson the leader the one who gets the glory. I bet he doesn't get his hands dirty that often except for a photoshoot.
He is a narcissist thru and thru. |
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