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watt price tully 
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| Pi wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | At the risk of embarrassing people by making this "real", here's a link to an on-line condolence book for the man who took my first tutorial in prehistoric archaeology almost 40 years ago. A life well-lived - a generous man, a fine scholar of international repute and a person most who knew him would say held views very worthy of thoughtful consideration. Don't think he worked on any building sites, though (unless they were in ancient Mesopotamia).
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/antonio-sagona-obituary?pid=1000000185978080&view=guestbook&page=3 |
Thats a bit an own goal 
Archaeology is basically a building site in reverse, involving managing a large team of diverse people from the local inhabitants to grad students; its essentially a hard science when you consider whats needed to actually do it.
Im referring to the lower end of the social sciences that produce huge numbers of low quality graduates who dont do any field work or mathematics. For some strange reason they seem to make most of the Marxist ideologues. |
What about the lower end of mathematics ? FFS that's one of your more ill informed remarks.
I deal in mental health with too many science based folk who are either anxious wrecks, socially inept and / or socially autistic. The maths computer nerds especially are probably well over -represented in the mental illness stakes that I come across.
Recently I was dealing with a double degree IT engineer who hails from a diverse background: he's basically "f*cked" I think the DSM labels it.
Field work my arse.
You're merely endeavouring to polarise an argument that fits your quite narrow view of the world as espoused here on Nicks. Your all too obvious attempt to use labels "marxists" as a paradigm to apportion blame has little merit.
However, Nicks is a forum where all manner of opinion is able to be aired: even ill informed ones
Try an argument without recourse to polarities or self serving labels
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: |
real world work experience |
What makes a building site more 'real' than a university? Just different kinds of work, surely, and each potentially cloistered in their own way. |
Absolutely.
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thesoretoothsayer
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My first degree's in philosophy of mathematics with a double in history (both firsts of course). How's your maths? |
Is mathematical ability necessarily a prerequisite for a degree in the Philosophy of Mathematics?
After all, I could do a degree in the History of Music without being able to play a note. |
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Pi 
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watt price tully
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| Mugwump wrote: | Some truth in rhat, Pi, but the other way a building site is more real than a university is that it exists in a truly competitive market and building workers are exposed to the choices of consumers, whereas universities are state-funded from compulsory taxation, and thus the people who work in them tend to be more complacent and immune from social and economic non-negotiables.
Secondly, i think that the average business or STEM graduate is probably more used to testing their ideas against a hard and prosaic reality. The neo-Marxist cultural revolutionaries tend to come from the Arts and Law faculties, where power, rather than truth, is the natural currency. |
Brian Boyd says hello
He was a brickie's labourer who worked on building sites etc before he got a BA! I'm no fan of BB but he is an interesting example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boyd_(unionist)
It is an oversimplification to say market forces vs tenure these days IMO. Tenure is limited these days compared to when you went to University for your BA last century  
The reality these days on building sites is that there are more & more workers who are doing it tough, with labour laws increasingly eroding workers rights & on building sites: possibly one of the more dangerous workplaces we have. That is about politics not market forces whether one agree with or disagrees with the relevant policy being enacted
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watt price tully
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | | I think now is about the time the "but it wasn't really socialism..." chorus starts up. |
Of course some people do find facts hard to deal with.
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watt price tully
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| Mugwump wrote: | | .........but in truth Venezuela is really a corrupt oil state where military populists have used the people's oil wealth to buy loyalty. I think the verdict of history is pretty clear that good societies need a little socialism to moderate the malign effects of an essentially capitalist model of allocation. ..... |
I agree with that part although perhaps not the exact terms, but you've hit the nail on the head Mr Mugwump.
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Wokko 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Pi wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | At the risk of embarrassing people by making this "real", here's a link to an on-line condolence book for the man who took my first tutorial in prehistoric archaeology almost 40 years ago. A life well-lived - a generous man, a fine scholar of international repute and a person most who knew him would say held views very worthy of thoughtful consideration. Don't think he worked on any building sites, though (unless they were in ancient Mesopotamia).
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/antonio-sagona-obituary?pid=1000000185978080&view=guestbook&page=3 |
Thats a bit an own goal
Archaeology is basically a building site in reverse, involving managing a large team of diverse people from the local inhabitants to grad students; its essentially a hard science when you consider whats needed to actually do it.
Im referring to the lower end of the social sciences that produce huge numbers of low quality graduates who dont do any field work or mathematics. For some strange reason they seem to make most of the Marxist ideologues. |
What about the lower end of mathematics ? FFS that's one of your more ill informed remarks.
I deal in mental health with too many science based folk who are either anxious wrecks, socially inept and / or socially autistic. The maths computer nerds especially are probably well over -represented in the mental illness stakes that I come across.
Recently I was dealing with a double degree IT engineer who hails from a diverse background: he's basically "f*cked" I think the DSM labels it.
Field work my arse.
You're merely endeavouring to polarise an argument that fits your quite narrow view of the world as espoused here on Nicks. Your all too obvious attempt to use labels "marxists" as a paradigm to apportion blame has little merit.
However, Nicks is a forum where all manner of opinion is able to be aired: even ill informed ones
Try an argument without recourse to polarities or self serving labels |
Perhaps they're the folks who finish up doing mechanical engineering and programming? It must be hard to get on out there with limited maths and no gender studies. |
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Pi
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according to this doctors and dentists have the highest suicide rates
http://www.newhealthguide.org/Highest-Suicide-Rate-By-Profession.html
so it looks like us dumb-ass engineers suffering from dyscalculia who didnt do gender studies are doing ok
I was surprised about Lathe operators though
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: |
My first degree's in philosophy of mathematics with a double in history (both firsts of course). How's your maths? |
Is mathematical ability necessarily a prerequisite for a degree in the Philosophy of Mathematics?
After all, I could do a degree in the History of Music without being able to play a note. |
That's not a serious question, is it? In order to engage in Mathematical Philosophy, you have to be able to do the maths.
By contrast, you could (possibly, I suppose - although how sensibly is a quite different issue) get a degree (of sorts) in the History of Music without
being able to play any instrument to an adequate standard.
It's a bit more like studying piano technique, I think - in theory, I suppose someone could get a qualification in "piano technique" without being able to play the piano - but I doubt anyone much would want to be taught piano by them or take them seriously. |
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thesoretoothsayer
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Yep, was a legit question.
I know nothing about Mathematical Philosophy so I was curious whether you needed to know the maths or you could just talk about whether numbers were real, exist independently of the mind etc.. etc..
Thanks for clarifying. |
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Yarra Falls End
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Miss Venezuela was one of my favourite gender studies.
I thought her numbers always stacked up well. |
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Wokko
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| Yarra Falls End wrote: | Miss Venezuela was one of my favourite gender studies.
I thought her numbers always stacked up well. |
They've got some nice Anti-Government protesters too. |
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