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Jezza Taurus



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:22 pm
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Senator and Deputy Leader of the Greens, Scott Ludlam, has resigned from Parliament after breaching section 44(i) of the Constitution where he failed to renounce his dual citizenship, which disqualifies anyone serving in office who:

"Is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-14/senator-scott-ludlam-resign-constitution-dual-citizenship/8708606

Official statement from Ludlam:

https://twitter.com/SenatorLudlam/status/885713829610405893

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Tannin 

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:32 pm
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What a terrible loss for Australian democracy. Ludlam has been an outstanding Senator, head and shoulders above most of his kind and his voice of sanity and reason will be sadly missed.

Examle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90K0p-1CCQk

Note that he arrived in Australia as a very young child and had no idea that he was technically also a New Zealand citizen until last week. Note also that he immediately notified the appropriate authorities. (Compare with that dishonest clown Abbott who is still refusing to own up or provide evidence of his citizenship.)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:47 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RoOwSKI7M
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:20 pm
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We was born in NZ and it never occurred to him that might make him a NZ citizen?

Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:33 pm
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Probably not the only one who takes up Australian citizenship and just assumes it takes the place of the old one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:12 pm
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People were onto him 2 years ago, surely he knew it himself.

https://np.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/2dpes0/scott_ludlam_show_the_public_your_new_zealand/



https://www.change.org/p/scott-ludlam-show-the-public-your-new-zealand-citizen-renunciation-form-proving-you-were-not-elected-to-our-parliament-illegally#share

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:25 pm
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Tannin wrote:
(Compare with that dishonest clown Abbott who is still refusing to own up or provide evidence of his citizenship.)

Yeah nah Razz


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:33 pm
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Great loss. They should have found a way to renounce his NZ citizenship and sign a stat dec declaring that he will no longer use the words choice, ahh or bro.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:29 pm
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Yer right Jezza. This is why he has asked the Brits to place a blanket black ban on all Freedom of Information queries related to the matter. Abbott: dishonest, sneaky clown.
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He was three years old, Stui. How much do you remember from when you were three. And - unlike Abbott - he has been upfront and honest and outed himself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:44 pm
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Tannin wrote:
He was three years old, Stui. How much do you remember from when you were three. And - unlike Abbott - he has been upfront and honest and outed himself.


I actually remember stuff but that's irrelevant. As an adult, you surely know where you were born even if you don't remember it. FFS, it would be on his Birth Certificate.

I don't get the need to bring Abbott into it, no one cares. Did Gillard renounce her UK citizenship? No one cares.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:31 pm
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I'm genuinely devastated. Ludlam was an intelligent, down-to-earth and rigorously ethical politician, and someone who – in a hypothetical sane country that had governments full of our best and brightest instead of our most ruthless and well-connected – would have been a prime minister to be proud of.

He was in a different league from the rest of his own party, let alone parliament in general. You'd listen to some windbag like Ian Macdonald get up and speak and think, Jesus, imagine if we had twenty Ludlams and only one of him in the senate, instead of the other way around: a bunch of factional hacks, four conspiracy theorists, Bill Shorten's best mate's wife, Derryn #@%#ing Hinch and an endless army of old men (and women) who haven't had an independent thought in twenty years. I mean, I generally prefer Labor governments, and I wouldn't piss on a single one of their MPs if they were on fire. Even the Greens are mostly just lame party hacks these days, but you kind of accept that that's what politics does to people (or else, most decent people just run away screaming). Ludlam was different. I hope that whatever he does after politics will be meaningful, but I don't think we'll be seeing anyone of his calibre in parliament again in the foreseeable future.

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That's a crying shame if the guy was sane and decent. Silly error, but still a shame.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:58 am
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Any Acknowledgement of Allegiance, Obiedience or Adherence to a foreign power disqualifies you from Parliament.....but our Head of State is a foreigner!
How can this bloke lose his job, but the Queen of England doesn't?

Also to be consistent, our National Flag should immediately be changed! How can that flag represent us, when it acknowledges allegiance to a foreign power?


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A lot of hard work.
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