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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Post subject: Another damning stat. | |
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A couple of the pro buckley brigade summed it up with this line.
It is mostly about recruitment and list management.
We need top picks!
So lets look at a comparison between the 2010 list and the 2017 list.
The 2010 team had 11 first round picks of which 10 were in the top 10.
Three of which didn't play in the GF.
The 2017 team has 15 first round picks that included Treloar who was taken as one of the best 17 year olds by GWS
There are 9 players who were top 10 picks.
We have plenty of good picks in this side but it is woeful with kicking, decision making and skill execution.
So WTF is wrong with this side? _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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Thommo, we do need top forward picks, I keep saying, get sam reid, short term, and with our pick four, get a mobile young KPP forward, to help Moore out long term, we are pretty ok with our backs, worst loss this season only five snags, mids are usually good, many inside fifties, its our forwards whom have been absolutely abysmal. Fix that, and the rest should look after itself, one would sincerely hope. ! _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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Jpies
Joined: 09 Apr 2016
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1) Lack of balance in the list (too many good players competing for the same position, e.g. midfielders and medium defenders) at the expense of key and genuine goal scoring small forwards
2) over-rating some of our players such as Aish and WHE who were taken as very high draft picks, but haven't lived up to expectations even prior to arriving at Collingwood
3) injuries to our first round picks in Scharenberg, Broomhead and Freeman
4) a big gap between our best and worst players. Our 2010 side never carried players like those listed above and Ramsay, Blair (2017 model), Cox etc. |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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Here is another damning stat.
Of the last 70 top ten picks ( 2010 - 2016 inclusive ) only 34 in total were not G C S , GWS, father son or academy selections.
I'm not trying to defend our current plight but given that we were " successful " in 2010 / 2011 ( as far as ladder position goes ) the last few years were always going to prove difficult to get right for the majority of clubs.
Obviously Geelong and Hawthorn unlocked the key but they are easily the benchmarks in that period.
Add to that, if your early picks don't get on the park, the challenge just becomes all the more problematic. |
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Collingwood Crackerjack
Joined: 28 Jul 2008 Location: Canberra
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Pies2016 wrote: | Here is another damning stat.
Of the last 70 top ten picks ( 2010 - 2016 inclusive ) only 34 in total were not G C S , GWS, father son or academy selections.
I'm not trying to defend our current plight but given that we were " successful " in 2010 / 2011 ( as far as ladder position goes ) the last few years were always going to prove difficult to get right for the majority of clubs.
Obviously Geelong and Hawthorn unlocked the key but they are easily the benchmarks in that period.
Add to that, if your early picks don't get on the park, the challenge just becomes all the more problematic. |
That is actually pretty breathtaking when one considers it, I don't know if the ramifications have been properly assessed by the powers that be....I mean you can see the writing on the wall with what GWS is becoming, its only by shear incompetence that we don't have the same issue with the Suns......yet..... _________________ "The last thing he expected WAS THE FIRST THING HE GOT!!!!!"
© Collingwood Crackerjack, 1992 |
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thesoretoothsayer
Joined: 26 Apr 2017
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Pies2016 wrote: | Here is another damning stat.
Of the last 70 top ten picks ( 2010 - 2016 inclusive ) only 34 in total were not G C S , GWS, father son or academy selections.
I'm not trying to defend our current plight but given that we were " successful " in 2010 / 2011 ( as far as ladder position goes ) the last few years were always going to prove difficult to get right for the majority of clubs.
Obviously Geelong and Hawthorn unlocked the key but they are easily the benchmarks in that period.
Add to that, if your early picks don't get on the park, the challenge just becomes all the more problematic. |
So, in 2012, we decide upon a rebuild?
Ambitious?
Foolish?
Necessary?
Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing. |
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie
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thesoretoothsayer wrote: | Pies2016 wrote: | Here is another damning stat.
Of the last 70 top ten picks ( 2010 - 2016 inclusive ) only 34 in total were not G C S , GWS, father son or academy selections.
I'm not trying to defend our current plight but given that we were " successful " in 2010 / 2011 ( as far as ladder position goes ) the last few years were always going to prove difficult to get right for the majority of clubs.
Obviously Geelong and Hawthorn unlocked the key but they are easily the benchmarks in that period.
Add to that, if your early picks don't get on the park, the challenge just becomes all the more problematic. |
So, in 2012, we decide upon a rebuild?
Ambitious?
Foolish?
Necessary?
Of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing. |
Sheer arrogance, pigheadedness and dare I say it narcisstic.
Didn't take hindsight. |
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BEAMER09
Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Post subject: Re: Another damning stat. | |
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thompsoc wrote: | A couple of the pro buckley brigade summed it up with this line.
It is mostly about recruitment and list management.
We need top picks!
So lets look at a comparison between the 2010 list and the 2017 list.
The 2010 team had 11 first round picks of which 10 were in the top 10.
Three of which didn't play in the GF.
The 2017 team has 15 first round picks that included Treloar who was taken as one of the best 17 year olds by GWS
There are 9 players who were top 10 picks.
We have plenty of good picks in this side but it is woeful with kicking, decision making and skill execution.
So WTF is wrong with this side? |
Coach full stop _________________ COLLINGW09D |
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