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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:40 am
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After watching various recent horrid political events unfold - and, frankly, almost everything that has been newsworthy in the US since January - one could nearly be excused for adopting a view that the world is full of stupid, bigoted people who have little capacity for independent, reflective thought and who are easily swayed to vote against their own interests if they think that their vote might help lead to someone else getting kicked even harder than they are being kicked.

But, in some rare good news, it seems plenty of people are easily (and relatively inexpensively) bought:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/13/fake-news-manipulate-elections-paid-propaganda
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:19 pm
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All news sources these days peddle opinions and agendas rather than facts.

All the supposition about the England tower fire and what caused it is exactly that, but because the supposition is being repeated so often, people believe it as fact. We'll know the facts when an actual investigation is done.

In an age when there are so many 24/7 sources of information, facts and fact checking have become a forgotten art and people are impatient for news and more so than ever willing and eager to believe whatever they see/hear/read that matches their own opinions and beliefs, it has never been easier to manipulate people if you want to.

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:40 pm
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^ No news source is perfect, but there's a big difference between established outlets with an agenda and deliberately misleading sites (of which there are a number these days). The latter are an entirely separate problem and have really flourished in the age of social media.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:54 pm
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"Deliberately misleading" can be a subjective argument.

Does The Guardian count as an established site with an agenda or a deliberately misleading one? The Australian? is that a blurry line?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:31 pm
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Thanks for the link P4S.

Rebel Wilsons win in her defamation case today is a good example of fake news, even though the articles were in print rather than social media.

Journalistic principles of verifying facts prior to publication were tossed out the window. I don't know much about her but it's good to see someone stand up to having their reputation trashed. Once upon a time a journalist who wrote rubbish would have lost their job.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:34 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
"Deliberately misleading" can be a subjective argument.

Does The Guardian count as an established site with an agenda or a deliberately misleading one? The Australian? is that a blurry line?


Both of them are legitimate sites with pretty good publishing records, I would have thought. Tabloids are another story, crap like The Sun is another, and stuff like "world daily news dot com" is another matter again.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:38 pm
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Subjective your honour. Past performance is no true indicator of current performance for a news service.

Exhibit A, The aged.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:46 pm
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Disagree with my learned colleague.

Exhibit A. Slobbo and drug allegations last year

Exhibit B . His treatment of Alex Fasolo this year.

Goes to motive.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:48 pm
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Evidence accepted as it goes to individual behaviour, but not to the behaviour or record of a news service. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:43 am
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stui magpie wrote:
think positive wrote:


we farm kangaroos for food, i hope they are killed humanely.


Kangaroos aren't farmed. All Roo meat is harvested from wild animals in a controlled cull.

Basically, they're shot.

Professional roo shooters take them down, one minute Skip is bouncing along, the next, dead on the ground. In most cases wouldn't know what hit him or feel it, the static shock from the bullet would take care of that.

Cows and Sheep are able to be herded into pens, loaded on trucks and taken to abattoirs, good luck trying to do that with Roos.

Sheep and Cows are raised domestically for human consumption

Roos are wild animals who's numbers need to be culled to keep numbers manageable. The side effect is that we eat the meat.

Saltwater Crocs are farmed for meat and hides. I'd love to watch the CCTV video of greenpeace or Peta trying to free the crocs. Razz Laughing


Well if your bringing crocs into it, I hope this one doesn't get shot for his or her, um, dealings with a human!

http://www.cairnstimes.com/cairns-man-binged-ice-feared-dead-attempting-sex-crocodile/

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:54 am
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think positive wrote:
Well if your bringing crocs into it, I hope this one doesn't get shot for his or her, um, dealings with a human!

http://www.cairnstimes.com/cairns-man-binged-ice-feared-dead-attempting-sex-crocodile/


You, judging the Darwin awards. Take long service and travel to the worlds beaches. Do what you want. Come back in December.This years award is over. We will worry baout the runner up when you get back.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:24 am
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You broke the link when you pasted it Ronrat, but yep.

Close nominations for this years Darwin awards now, we have a winner. Laughing

Much as i'd like to see warning labels removed, that is one I'd like to see.

"Warning - taking ice may lead to attempted crocodile copulation, and death"

Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:32 am
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I'll just leave this here...

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/no-a-cairns-man-did-not-die-trying-to-****-a-croc-/e66c9c0a-bf50-49d4-bcfd-cd420b0329dc.htm

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:58 am
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Booh.

Untidy bastard, pick that rubbish up and put it away properly, don't leave it laying around.

Razz Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:19 am
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http://www.cnn-globalnews.com/2017/06/18/clint-eastwood-found-dead-of-apparent-heart-attack/

More fake news??

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