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pietillidie
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^Having crept about in the shadows of both the Brexit farce and the daily Cameron/Osborne austerity cacophony which helped nourish it, some of us knew May's "emotional restraint" was actually a cowardly opportunism 
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 When was this exactly? |
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Pi 
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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| David wrote: |
I don't see a story like the one I posted – which cuts against negative stereotypes and is, at any rate, factual – to be sinister. I understand the views of those who see it as patronisingly obvious, but when there are people on here stating quite clearly that they believe Muslims are nothing but bad news, I think those in the first group could be working a little harder to argue against the negative stereotypes being propagated by the second. It shouldn't be left to the usual suspects to push back. |
There is nothing sinister about the story; however its the media attempting to drive a narrative that makes people cynical about motives. The fact is people of all sorts of identities and assumed identity’s are and have been involved in the aftermath of this particular tragedy. Negative stereotype’s can be found anywhere; journalist’s pushing obvious narratives to ‘even’ the ledger of public opinion never turns out right because they do it really badly.
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Mugwump
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^ that article by Owen Jones shows a level of historical and economic illiteracy and amnesia that is truly wonderful. Undergraduate juvenile dementia at its finest.
So far it appears that the Grenfell Tower disaster resulted from an £11m refurbishment of public flats that are lived in by about 420 people in one of the most expensive pieces of real estate in the Western world, and they are still trying to establish who was in the tower because a number of the flats had been illegally sub-let by the original public tenants (Guardian and Independent, 20th June).
As a case study for the glories of socialism and public management, and the wickedness of our fictitious "austerity", it certainly has some problems, it would seem.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Why read the Guardian links? I don't bother anymore
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Why read the Guardian links? I don't bother anymore |
Because when even the Guardian is reporting that the Grenfell tower was being exploited by public tenants making illegal money on this prime location, it's hard for the most blinkered to disagree.
This dreadful tragedy is predictably being cynically hijacked by the far left and their bloodsucking lawyers, and rational people are holding off because they do not want to look coldly reasonable amid the emotional high-pressure system hovering over it, but the actual lessons seem likely to be almost the opposite of the conventional wisdom that risible student Left opportunists like Jones are so keen to imprint upon it.
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Pies4shaw
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Why read the Guardian links? I don't bother anymore |
Well, Owen Jones is pretty funny. I'm not sure, yet, if he's a parody, or the Crown Prince of Venezuela or whether he means it. I hope he does mean it because if he's passionate, he's less likely to run out of new material. |
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| Mugwump wrote: | ^ that article by Owen Jones shows a level of historical and economic illiteracy and amnesia that is truly wonderful. Undergraduate juvenile dementia at its finest.
So far it appears that the Grenfell Tower disaster resulted from an £11m refurbishment of public flats that are lived in by about 420 people in one of the most expensive pieces of real estate in the Western world, and they are still trying to establish who was in the tower because a number of the flats had been illegally sub-let by the original public tenants (Guardian and Independent, 20th June).
As a case study for the glories of socialism and public management, and the wickedness of our fictitious "austerity", it certainly has some problems, it would seem. |
So do we know how many of those 'lucky' illegals living in a pretty but useless tower in an expensive part of town, were not lucky enough to make it out, yet?
Greed. Where will it lead us?
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In a letter sent to survivors and the families of those who died, police said the decision to identify two organisations as suspects, follows the seizing of documents and taking of a large number of witness statements.
In their letter, police said: “After an initial assessment of that information, the officer leading the investigation has today notified Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea and the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation that there are reasonable grounds to suspect that each organisation may have committed the offence of corporate manslaughter, under the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007.”
The 2007 act says that an organisation is guilty of corporate manslaughter “if the way in which its activities are managed or organised … causes a person’s death and amounts to a gross breach of a relevant duty of care owed by the organisation to the deceased”.
Anyone found guilty is liable to a fine, not imprisonment. The breach of the duty of care “is a gross breach if the conduct alleged … falls far below what can be reasonably be expected of the organisation in the circumstances”.
The police letter adds: “In due course, a senior representative of each corporation will be formally interviewed by police in relation to the potential offence.” It also says the 2007 act does not give detectives the power to arrest any individual from the organisations under suspicion.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/met-says-grenfell-council-may-have-committed-corporate-manslaughter
The letter from the Metropolitan Police is photographed in the body of the article. |
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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It's only a matter of time until we have a similar incident. The cladding is an issue and the the Builders are saying it's not our problem it was approved. The cladding makers are saying it was approved and the residents are saying we moved into a building that was approved for occupancy by local and state authorities. So expect some sort of levy (tax) to replace the cladding.
The elephant in the room no authority wants to address is that many of the apartment buildings in the CBD of Melbourne are over occupied. Rich slumlords packing 10 plus to an apartment. Overseas students seeking cheap rent are forced into these type of accommodations. The law can't be enforced as the Council / Police just can't walk in and check properties. They have to give notice and then the places are cleared out. It's like the police letting drug dealers know they are going to be raided next week. Surprise they find nothing.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-of-spencer-street-tower-that-caught-fire-will-be-locked-out-for-days-20190205-p50vtf.html |
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David
I dare you to try
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One thing's for sure – wherever the buck stops and whatever it costs to fix it, we can't afford to have another Grenfell here. I'm usually not one for kneejerk policy responses, but if you ever wanted a clear public policy priority, this is it.
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stui magpie
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Forced or choose?
Staying in a CBD apartment with easy access to a lot of take away food that suits their taste combined with cheap rent would for many outweigh the inconvenience of being packed in like sardines. It's just a place to sleep.
I would be surprised if many of those "profiteering slumlords" weren't chinese preying on fellow chinese. So many apartment buildings being built in and around the CBD advertised in chinese language real estate agents.
Forget old Chinatown in the CBD, the new Chinatown is the mid north of the CBD.
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