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| Nathan Buckley - What should the club do with him? |
| Sack him now (not playing finals, get started on a replacement) |
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| Sack him end of season (not the man but why concede the year now?) |
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| Sack him on the run home (if the wheels have really fallen off) |
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| Decide end of season (I'm still in his corner) |
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| Decide end of season (He's just not up to it) |
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| Decide end of season (I'm honestly undecided) |
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| Re-sign him on the run home (fait accompli, just pick our moment) |
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| Re-sign him end of season (he's the man, but no need to rush) |
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| Re-sign him now (he WILL be our next premiership coach!) |
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| I really don't know (but I will back the club whatever it decides) |
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| Cruisinwithdids wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | ^I just hope the next coach, whomever he may be, gets a better go than what Bucks has from some on here, which goes back some years now, the bitching and moaning. No doubt if the poor bastard slips up a bit within two years of taking over, the same posters will be out in force demanding he be replaced, a s a p. Its a monty. |
Blindly accepting 6 years of decline to be nice to Buckley is not an option for what was once the greatest sporting club in Australia. Why do you want this mediocrity to be endorsed? Because you liked this bloke as a player? This bleeding heart crap is what's wrong with this club. We need to get ruthless again - be Collingwood - be hated - and get a decent coach! |
Agreed ! We must return to been the dirtiest players in the game.
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| Collingwood Crackerjack wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | The scary thing about this season is that the team has 12 players who have played at least 15 of the 16 games but has still only won 6 games. The 12 players are Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom, WHE, Crisp, Maynard, Howe, Fasolo, Goldsack and Moore. Of the others, only Wells, Langdon, Elliott, Reid, Varcoe have missed significant numbers of games because of injury.
Our ruckman is on track to have over 800 hitouts this season (Len Thompson's most hitouts in a season was 505 and Grundy already has 589 from 16 games this game). Our top 4 midfielders average 116 disposals per game between them. The team averages 406 disposals per game.
The team is getting its hands on the ball often enough and has mostly been able to field its "best" players on the park most weeks.
The players are plainly "playing for the coach" and most of the important ones have been doing so almost every week. Even so, the results are staggeringly bad.
No injury excuses, no player-form excuses. This year, it is even more obvious than it has been in recent years that Collingwood's style of play just cannot win enough games of footy.
That is why it is time to pull the pin. |
Yep, nothing but the truth right there! |
Unless, like me, you believe that our glaring lack of a key tall marking forward/ruck to compliment the emerging Moore, is the chief explanation for our poor win/loss record this year, despite Bucks coaching ensuring we have been consistently competitive throughout the season.
At the end of the day, we all see what we want to see. That's as I see it anyway.  |
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| MagpieBat wrote: | | Collingwood Crackerjack wrote: | | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Mugwump I posed this question a while ago.
Do the players love Nathan Buckley the legendary player or coach ?
To me it's hard for some to separate the 2. Buckley the player is Collingwood royalty likely in the greatest 2 or 3 to ever wear black and white and the players would be very aware of his place in our history
Do they or can they separate the 2 ?
I've said it many times Buckley hasn't lost the players I believe they are trying very hard to follow the plans the coach sets out
It's the plan I think is flawed |
Mal Michael FB
Leppitsch CHB
Voss, Power, Johnson, Simon Black, Notting, Akermanis, Scott brothers, Lappin, etc. Mids
Jonathan Brown CHF
Alister Lynch FF
I defy any coach to come up with a losing game plan for this team. |
Depends how you look at it; Mal Michael, well we had first dibs on him and choose to trade, what did we get for him BTW? Lynch, plenty were saying he was washed up when the clubs merged, his longevity was, cough cough, incredible, Leppitsch, pretty good not great....
That being said, J. Brown and the mids probably could have won flags with 2 players short |
Michael and pick 22 were sent to Brisbane for Pick 44 and Jarrod Molloy. Pick 44 (which subsequently became Josh Hunt) was sent to Geelong in a straight swap for Carl Steinfort... |
So Molloy and Steinfort for Michael? Not bad I suppose, win the 2002 GF and it becomes a masterstroke!
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| AnthonyC wrote: | I wonder what some would think of this coaching record:
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Season 1: 5/16, Wins: 12
Season 2: 12/16, Wins: 9
Season 3: 9/16, Wins: 11
Season 4: 12/16, Wins: 7
Season 5: 4/16, Wins: 15
Season 6: 6/16, Wins: 12
Season 7: 10/16, Wins: 10
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Sure there a few seasons with finals, but certainly nothing terribly impressive on numbers alone in seven years of coaching. A little under 50% win/loss record. |
I'll bite; whose record is that?
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^^ Hardwick ??
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Collingwood Crackerjack
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | ^^ Hardwick ?? |
Tigs haven't finished top 4 in his time have they? Or am I reading it wrong?
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| Collingwood Crackerjack wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | ^^ Hardwick ?? |
Tigs haven't finished top 4 in his time have they? Or am I reading it wrong? |
No, it isn't Hardwick's record. |
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Bomber Thompson.
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Collingwood Crackerjack wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | The scary thing about this season is that the team has 12 players who have played at least 15 of the 16 games but has still only won 6 games. The 12 players are Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom, WHE, Crisp, Maynard, Howe, Fasolo, Goldsack and Moore. Of the others, only Wells, Langdon, Elliott, Reid, Varcoe have missed significant numbers of games because of injury.
Our ruckman is on track to have over 800 hitouts this season (Len Thompson's most hitouts in a season was 505 and Grundy already has 589 from 16 games this game). Our top 4 midfielders average 116 disposals per game between them. The team averages 406 disposals per game.
The team is getting its hands on the ball often enough and has mostly been able to field its "best" players on the park most weeks.
The players are plainly "playing for the coach" and most of the important ones have been doing so almost every week. Even so, the results are staggeringly bad.
No injury excuses, no player-form excuses. This year, it is even more obvious than it has been in recent years that Collingwood's style of play just cannot win enough games of footy.
That is why it is time to pull the pin. |
Yep, nothing but the truth right there! |
Unless, like me, you believe that our glaring lack of a key tall marking forward/ruck to compliment the emerging Moore, is the chief explanation for our poor win/loss record this year, despite Bucks coaching ensuring we have been consistently competitive throughout the season.
At the end of the day, we all see what we want to see. That's as I see it anyway. |
We had an epoch-defining centre-half forward. We recruited no tall with a high draft-pick to replace him as he reached his 13th season of senior football. We selected no potential KPF with a draft pick above 50 from 2007 to 2015. We threw about 17 first round draft picks at Treloar and Aish and tried to replace Cloke variously with "forward pressure", White, Cox and Mayne. And then - gosh (who could have foreseen it: don't CHFs play until they're 40?) - he finally hit the wall after carrying the forward-line on his back for a decade. I can't accept that obviously intelligent people like you don't see that as a complete failure of vision by the man driving the bus. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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While I love Nathan Buckley I don't think I can take another week of having him select the team.
Is it possible to have two senior coaches next year? Nathan to coach the team on game day and anyone else to select the 22. |
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AnthonyC 
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I'll bite; whose record is that? |
Jezza had it correct.
It is Mark Thompson and geelong : 2000-2006
I wouldn't say I have an affinity with geelong, but I have family who live there and unsurprisingly follow geelong. I also have a co-worker who is a keen fan. I can say without a shadow of a doubt, that Thompson was pretty much a dead man walking after 2006 according to many geelong fans, particularly with what they thought was a good list. Not dissimilar to Bucks.
That of course does not mean the same will happen with us but in that case the geelong board had the courage of conviction to stay the course and reaped the reward.
It's an example of what is possible, no matter what the thought of those that just want to see the back of the incumbent.
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| AnthonyC wrote: | | Collingwood Crackerjack wrote: |
I'll bite; whose record is that? |
Jezza had it correct.
It is Mark Thompson and geelong : 2000-2006
I wouldn't say I have an affinity with geelong, but I have family who live there and unsurprisingly follow geelong. I also have a co-worker who is a keen fan. I can say without a shadow of a doubt, that Thompson was pretty much a dead man walking after 2006 according to many geelong fans, particularly with what they thought was a good list. Not dissimilar to Bucks.
That of course does not mean the same will happen with us but in that case the geelong board had the courage of conviction to stay the course and reaped the reward.
It's an example of what is possible, no matter what the thought of those that just want to see the back of the incumbent. |
Did Mark Thompson have an epiphany in 2007?
Whatever, could Nathan Buckley have the same epiphany in 2018 if he stays as coach? |
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Thompson had a far superior coaching record to Buckley by 2006. That's not an opinion, it's just a fact. They also had not spent 5 years destroying their list or swapping players in and out of the team weekly, basing AFL selection on VFL performance. Buckley has had longer than anyone else with his record could possibly be given. Time for change at Collingwood |
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AnthonyC
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^I'd genuinely like to know what you base that 'fact' on.
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| AnthonyC wrote: | | ^I'd genuinely like to know what you base that 'fact' on. |
In Thompson's 5th year at Geelong in 2004 they made finals and got to the preliminary final where they lost by 9 points to Brisbane.
In his 6th year 2005 they made finals again winning an elimination by 55 points then going down at the SCG by 3 points in a semi.
There's some serious evidence there in year 5 and year 6 that the team coached by Thompson is not far away.
Compare with Buckley who has his team in his fifth and sixth year as coach sitting around 12-14th on the ladder out of contention in July. Buckleys best year was his first when he took over a team that had lost only 3 games and he managed 17 wins in that year. You could argue that it would have been difficult for any coach to lose less games in 2012 taking over such a successful team. That's now a long long time ago and we have seen the an uncanny downward spiral under Buckley since. No comparison. |
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