The 2017 Nathan Buckley Debate thread (Part 2!)

[think positive]

[Back bucks]

Here is an idea i will throw at you.

Why not have 2 coaches like they do in alot of country leagues ? It would be a first for the AFL and might be more effective at bringing out the best in our side.

I admired Robert Harvey for the way he played. Similar to Dangerfield in the way he read the play with precision. He`s got a footy brain ,if i ever saw one. Get Bucks and Harvey banging their heads together in the coaches box as both senior coaches and both making the decisions. I have seen this work in some teams in the bush with great effect , but could it possibly work in the fast flowing pace of modern AFL ?

[Redlight]

[regan is true fullback]

Redlight wrote:

[Cruisinwithdids]

All players support the current coach publicly. Weather you like or dislike Buckey, his 6 years of coaching results could not have been any worse. If he is not a poor AFL coach, he is the master of disguise.

[eddiesmith]

[Mugwump]

^ they don't have to say anything at all, or they can say something less committal. "Bucks is a great coach, but it's really a matter for the board". It's not hard to be supportive without going out of your way, as Pendles,
Adams, Treloar, DeGoey and now Goldsack have.

If they say it as they do, then it means that he's widely admired in the playing group. To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that they are all coming out so hard for him, as you'd think they must have doubts, the way they are often exposed on ththe field. But it is what it is.

[qldmagpie67]

Mugwump I posed this question a while ago.
Do the players love Nathan Buckley the legendary player or coach ?
To me it's hard for some to separate the 2. Buckley the player is Collingwood royalty likely in the greatest 2 or 3 to ever wear black and white and the players would be very aware of his place in our history
Do they or can they separate the 2 ?
I've said it many times Buckley hasn't lost the players I believe they are trying very hard to follow the plans the coach sets out
It's the plan I think is flawed

[think positive]

[Pies4shaw]

The scary thing about this season is that the team has 12 players who have played at least 15 of the 16 games but has still only won 6 games. The 12 players are Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom, WHE, Crisp, Maynard, Howe, Fasolo, Goldsack and Moore. Of the others, only Wells, Langdon, Elliott, Reid, Varcoe have missed significant numbers of games because of injury.

Our ruckman is on track to have over 800 hitouts this season (Len Thompson's most hitouts in a season was 505 and Grundy already has 589 from 16 games this game). Our top 4 midfielders average 116 disposals per game between them. The team averages 406 disposals per game.

The team is getting its hands on the ball often enough and has mostly been able to field its "best" players on the park most weeks.

The players are plainly "playing for the coach" and most of the important ones have been doing so almost every week. Even so, the results are staggeringly bad.

No injury excuses, no player-form excuses. This year, it is even more obvious than it has been in recent years that Collingwood's style of play just cannot win enough games of footy.

That is why it is time to pull the pin.

[qldmagpie67]

^^^
Agree P4S watching my first game live for the year it showed some real issues structurally
We aren't a overly quick team across the ground yet we try to play like one
In the first term we had slick ball movement mainly driven by Wells Varcoe Trelaor Pendles Sidey JDG Adams
Once the ball was wet and the ground boggy we struggled yet still tried to play the same game style.
I'm staggered that we can't adapt wet weather football we've had 3 games this season in wet weather and looked terrible in them all
I've never doubted the players efforts in trying to play the plan set out by the coach it's the plan that's faulty IMO
He has 6 weeks and if he doesn't win a minimum of 4 games and the other 2 being close hard fought losses he has to be gone.
I personally see 1 possibly 2 wins on current form. If Pendles misses the remainder of the season those 2 could be in doubt also
I think we can beat WCE & maybe north that's it

[Cruisinwithdids]

Buckley does stand on his own with 5 years of decline as a coach taking over a team that lost 3 games the year before he started. The reason he stands on his own with this unwanted statistic is that any other club would have sacked him 2 years ago - on the basis of performance. Collingwood have allowed it to reach crisis point and helped bury His coaching future by just letting the failure get deeper and deeper, hoping against hope it may magically turns around one day, like some of the posters on this site.
The sooner we get a new coach into the place who doesn't have to defend the indefensible to save their own arse, the quicker we will improve as a club. He should go right now and have the dignity to resign. Somehow I don't think that will happen.

[Piesnchess]

^I just hope the next coach, whomever he may be, gets a better go than what Bucks has from some on here, which goes back some years now, the bitching and moaning. No doubt if the poor bastard slips up a bit within two years of taking over, the same posters will be out in force demanding he be replaced, a s a p. Its a monty.

[think positive]

[Piesnchess]