The 2017 Nathan Buckley Debate thread (Part 2!)

[Piesnchess]

Lyon is heavily contracted, Roos loathes the Pies, Shaw is either pissed or smoking the weed, or both ! Get Real !

[Cruisinwithdids]

[CarringbushCigar]

[think positive]

Ain't that the truth!

[CarringbushCigar]

from Urban Dictionary:

Buyers Denial Syndrome

... a customer buying a product and it turns out to be a faulty product or was under the expectation of the customer who recieved it.

Instead of the customer
A. returning the product for a better one. or
B. realize that they have been duped and count their losses.
They instead lie to themselves that the product was supposed to do this all along and that this is a good product knowing that it is a bad investment.

[Jezza]

I don't know what the club is thinking at the moment. The speculation of Buckley's future was quelled in the short-term when Pert announced that Buckley would remain senior coach for the remainder of the year, but beyond that no one is sure of what the club is planning to do.

Eddie has asserted that the decision won't be made based on the performances that we've produced after the Essendon match when the rumours of Buckley's immediate coaching future were extinguished for the short-term. If Eddie is being truthful, then the club will obviously assess what we've produced this year and potentially assess his coaching performances from previous years and whether this has satisfied the expectations of the club internally.

The club has made noises about pushing for the finals in the last few years, which I always thought was somewhat unrealistic, especially in 2014 and 2015 when a rebuild of some sorts was being undertaken, but I wonder whether they truly expected us to be pushing for the 8 in these years or whether this was a way to convince supporters to renew or sign up for their memberships. If these expectations were being espoused both internally and externally, then Buckley has clearly fallen short of that mark and it would be difficult to mount an argument to extend his contract.

However, my gut feeling for a while has been that he would remain senior coach beyond this year, but a significant shake up of the football department and assistant coaches would occur, similar to what we saw with Richmond last year, but maybe it will not eventuate that way however. I feel that if Buckley was on the verge of not being renewed as coach, then the media would have started speculating about his demise already, which hasn't been apparent recently.

I don't think he's been a bad coach this year and he's been gradually improving from year to year as he attains more experience as a senior coach, but fundamentally the same issues under him have continued to rear their ugly head in relation to the game plan and he hasn't delivered on results. We've been having these debates dating back to 2014/2015 and I suspect if most thought we'd been here two or three years later stagnating and showing little progression in terms of wins and losses, then most would have understood that the potential for him to depart is very likely.

I just hope that when the club makes this important decision that it makes the right one, rather than the popular one, because any further setbacks from here could lead to a wasted decade for the club, similar to what we saw in the mid to late 90s. Arguably, we've lost about half a decade under this current system, and further setbacks beyond this year would be harmful for the club, so the club has reached the crossroads here and now is required to make an informed decision. Either back the coach and give him everything you afford to give him, or move him on and start again.

I don't think the club can endure another situation of another one-year extension where the speculation on the coach's future becomes endless once again this time next year, so if Buckley is extended, I think it needs to be at least two years.

Whatever happens, I will continue supporting the club with my membership, as no specific individual defines my love and passion for the football club, but it shouldn't necessarily be construed as an implicit endorsement of how the club is operating both on and off the field.

I've waffled on a bit now, but I'm trying to be as objective as possible in a time where emotions are running high on this issue.

[think positive]

You haven't waffled on at all. It's a well explained post, and it's a footy forum, your emotion is a big part of the post. I too will buy my memberships regardless, but if I can keep my same reserved seats, I might just drop from legend. It's an extra couple of hundred each, what's the point?

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

No waffle at all Jezza. Well thought out and explained. Superb post.

[GreekLunatic]

I just find it a little bit harsh that bucks doesn't know one way or the other shouldn't they have had the decentcy to inform him if he is coaching next year or not also I find it hard to believe that ed is torn with the decision

[think positive]

[GreekLunatic]

So did I hate this crab style we play it bores our fans too sleep the shaw era at least we played attacking footy

[Raw Hammer]

[HAL]

If you could have any kind of robot what would it be?

[ROB]

I am perplexed as to the fascination with getting Roos and or Lyon to the club. Roos was only successful because of concessions for Swans and his key assistant - Longmire, who has shown how much better a coach he is than Roos since he took over. Lyon? Well aren't the dockers setting the world on fire!!?? Why would you look at Lyon whose team is regressing?? I don't know what the answer is but I don't think these two are it.

[Cruisinwithdids]

Agree I don't think Roos is the answer and Lyons game style would be something like the nightmare we are watching from Buckley. What would be required is a search for the next really good coach - the way hawthorn got Clarkson and the Bulldogs got Beveridge. No one else wanted them but those clubs found the right man for their job. Unfortunately for Collingwood it's difficult to find the best coach when you are not looking.