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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| melliot wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | melliot wrote: | | This list was 2nd bottom on the ladder only the round before last. Hardly a ringing endorsment. |
Absurd to infer we are a second bottom due to list quality.
When GWS were struggling at the bottom of the ladder, was it a list quality issue?
Did they , sack the recruiters and start again? |
Nothing should be viewed in isolation. It needs to be viewed in context.
We have recruited a fair amount mature aged and limited drafting of kids. That means you should be gaining more positive results, otherwise why not go to the draft for kids?
To be truthful, I think the list is OK with the exception of quality young Key forwards, key defenders, and crumbing forwards. But under current performance, I can't see how you could say it is anything better than OK or par. It certainly is not great and it isn't poor. |
Crumbing forwards are there with Daicos and Kirby. Key defenders we're ok, but we obviously need more key tall forwards. Currently we have too many mids and half back flankers on our list. Move some off the list at the end of the season and recruit a couple of key forwards, suddenly our list looks so much better. |
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Damien 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | This is what Hine said in 2015 about drafting Pendles.
WHILE some within the industry thought drafting Scott Pendlebury with pick No. 5 in the 2005 national draft was a monumental mistake, almost a decade later its proven an inspired choice.
Five All-Australian jumpers, three best-and-fairest awards and a premiership later, Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hines choice looks an inspired one.
We probably took him ahead of where most boards had him, Hine told Fox Sports News.
It was actually my first draft and I remember driving down St Kilda Road post draft and Caroline Wilson was on the radio and she was saying something along the lines that industry sources suggest Collingwood had made a monumental mistake by taking Pendlebury with pick 5.
I almost drove into a tree.
Hine has watched the 27-year-old translate the qualities that saw him excel at junior level into the big league with ease.
In that particular draft year we thought he played a lot like an indigenous player, he had so much time and so much space. You really couldnt touch him in a phone box, he said.
Its just that spatial awareness. I think the one thing about Scott is that he was a basketball player at the really high end, so just watch him every time hes got the ball the game just stops around him.
Hine said Pendleburys on field ability combined with his leadership make him one of the best players hes seen in black and white.
Hes certainly right up there ... Hes just so durable and he plays at a really high level week in week out ... no matter what the circumstances, he said.
Hes proving to be an outstanding leader ... if there was one thing that surprised me about Scott is just how great a leader he is. |
That was interesting.
It also reinforced my opinion of Caroline Wilson.
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She was reporting what "industry sources" were saying. It's great that Hine was ahead of the AFL recruiting industry. While she was not only a passive player in this she largely was. Her stand on Essendon and women in sport is / was merit worthy.
But we all have different opinions: mine & wrong ones   |
The woman actually never reports on a game of footy. Simply because she knows nothing about the game. She reports on the politics of football only. Apart from any opportunity she sees to take someone down. Then she's like a dog with a bone and will never let the facts get in the way of a scoop. No credibility as a football journalist whatsoever I reckon.
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stui magpie 
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Agree whole heartedley. You nailed it
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thompsoc
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She is a member of the PC media police.
She keeps good company with Slobbo and co.
I don't read any of her footy stories nor watch any of her football tv segments.
If you don't like any media person then hit the ignore button.
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HAL
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| a member of the PC media police is a member of the PC media police ? |
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hermie 
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[quote="Pies4shaw"]Is "career tragically cut short" code for being made to go to St Kilda? :wink:[/quote]
he wanted to go to st Kilda, he was a fan from a kid, lives close to Seaford and even closer when they go back to Moorabbin and from all accounts a shit bloke |
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Always said it isn't the players - it's the coach and his 'whatever' game plan. We fell in against Sydney/Hawthorn who were significantly undermanned and Geelong was an aberration. Brisbane should be a gimme then the fun starts again.
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^ What a stupid statement!
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^ which part of the facts are false?
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | | ^ which part of the facts are false? |
You didn't present any facts. your comment was 100% opinion.
the pies of 2010 didn't believe in MMs game plan and the fans didn't see it until late in the season. I remember complaining of our conservative gameplan in 09 and early 10 (i wasn't alone), and then all of a sudden, once the players fully bought in and we got a couple of key players to effectuate the gameplan (Blair, Jolly, ball, Beams and Sidey), the results were mindblowing!!!!
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Presti35 
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I think it's more the money and years offered that people are concerned about.
And maybe it's the moves we didnt make? ie; Should we have gone for Stewart as all it took as a pick in the 70s?
Anyway, I think Pies have done alright re: trades/FA's. Hopefully we find our KPF soon though.
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piedys 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | We did make a monumental mistake with Pendlebury - we should have selected him before Thomas. Imagine the horror if Hawthorn had taken Pendlebury at 3 and we'd had to settle for Ellis. |
Oh the horror... look at the spuds amongst the stars from this draft:
1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005
2 Dale Thomas Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
3 Xavier Ellis Hawthorn Gippsland U18 2005
4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005
5 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
6 Beau Dowler Hawthorn Oakleigh U18 2005
7 Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle 2005
8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond East Perth 2005
9 Mitch Clark Brisbane Lions East Fremantle 2005
10 Marcus Drum Fremantle Murray U18 2005
11 Shaun Higgins Western Bulldogs Geelong U18 2005
12 Nathan Jones Melbourne Dandenong U18 2005
13 Shannon Hurn West Coast Central District 2005
14 Grant Birchall Hawthorn Devonport 2005
15 Travis Varcoe Geelong Central District 2005
16 Richard Douglas Adelaide Calder U18 2005
17 Darren Pfeiffer Adelaide Norwood 2005
18 Max Bailey Hawthorn West Perth 2005
19 Courtenay Dempsey Essendon Morningside 2005
20 Paul Bower Carlton Peel Thunder 2005
21 Danny Stanley Collingwood Geelong U18 2005
22 Beau Muston Hawthorn Murray U18 2005
23 Ryan Cook Collingwood Dandenong U18 2005
24 Cleve Hughes Richmond Norwood 2005
25 Wayde Mills Brisbane Lions Southport 2005
26 Garrick Ibbotson Fremantle East Fremantle 2005
27 Dylan Addison Western Bulldogs St George 2005
28 Matt Riggio North Melbourne Peel Thunder 2005
29 Ben McKinley West Coast Northern U18 2005
30 Nick Lower Port Adelaide Norwood 2005
31 Trent West Geelong Gippsland U18 2005
32 Bernie Vince Adelaide Woodville-West Torrens 2005
33 Sam Gilbert St Kilda Southport 2005
34 Matt Spangher West Coast Eastern U18 2005
35 Stephen Owen Geelong North Ballarat U18 2005
36 Jake Edwards Carlton Western U18 2005
37 Jack Anthony Collingwood Northern U18 2005
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thompsoc
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Well Stanley, Cook and Anthony didn't set the world on fire for us.
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| piedys wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | We did make a monumental mistake with Pendlebury - we should have selected him before Thomas. Imagine the horror if Hawthorn had taken Pendlebury at 3 and we'd had to settle for Ellis. |
Oh the horror... look at the spuds amongst the stars from this draft:
1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005
2 Dale Thomas Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
3 Xavier Ellis Hawthorn Gippsland U18 2005
4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005
5 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
6 Beau Dowler Hawthorn Oakleigh U18 2005
7 Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle 2005
8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond East Perth 2005
9 Mitch Clark Brisbane Lions East Fremantle 2005
10 Marcus Drum Fremantle Murray U18 2005
11 Shaun Higgins Western Bulldogs Geelong U18 2005
12 Nathan Jones Melbourne Dandenong U18 2005
13 Shannon Hurn West Coast Central District 2005
14 Grant Birchall Hawthorn Devonport 2005
15 Travis Varcoe Geelong Central District 2005
16 Richard Douglas Adelaide Calder U18 2005
17 Darren Pfeiffer Adelaide Norwood 2005
18 Max Bailey Hawthorn West Perth 2005
19 Courtenay Dempsey Essendon Morningside 2005
20 Paul Bower Carlton Peel Thunder 2005
21 Danny Stanley Collingwood Geelong U18 2005
22 Beau Muston Hawthorn Murray U18 2005
23 Ryan Cook Collingwood Dandenong U18 2005
24 Cleve Hughes Richmond Norwood 2005
25 Wayde Mills Brisbane Lions Southport 2005
26 Garrick Ibbotson Fremantle East Fremantle 2005
27 Dylan Addison Western Bulldogs St George 2005
28 Matt Riggio North Melbourne Peel Thunder 2005
29 Ben McKinley West Coast Northern U18 2005
30 Nick Lower Port Adelaide Norwood 2005
31 Trent West Geelong Gippsland U18 2005
32 Bernie Vince Adelaide Woodville-West Torrens 2005
33 Sam Gilbert St Kilda Southport 2005
34 Matt Spangher West Coast Eastern U18 2005
35 Stephen Owen Geelong North Ballarat U18 2005
36 Jake Edwards Carlton Western U18 2005
37 Jack Anthony Collingwood Northern U18 2005 |
this is fascinating. what i find most interesting is that Varcoe and Pendles were taken in the same draft. does anyone else here consider varcoe an aged veteran and Pendles still a prime mover? i for one would not have thought that. i guess Pendles is older than he appears.
By the way, Kennedy at 2 and Pendles at 5 would have been shrewd.
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watt price tully
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| Damien wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | This is what Hine said in 2015 about drafting Pendles.
WHILE some within the industry thought drafting Scott Pendlebury with pick No. 5 in the 2005 national draft was a monumental mistake, almost a decade later its proven an inspired choice.
Five All-Australian jumpers, three best-and-fairest awards and a premiership later, Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hines choice looks an inspired one.
We probably took him ahead of where most boards had him, Hine told Fox Sports News.
It was actually my first draft and I remember driving down St Kilda Road post draft and Caroline Wilson was on the radio and she was saying something along the lines that industry sources suggest Collingwood had made a monumental mistake by taking Pendlebury with pick 5.
I almost drove into a tree.
Hine has watched the 27-year-old translate the qualities that saw him excel at junior level into the big league with ease.
In that particular draft year we thought he played a lot like an indigenous player, he had so much time and so much space. You really couldnt touch him in a phone box, he said.
Its just that spatial awareness. I think the one thing about Scott is that he was a basketball player at the really high end, so just watch him every time hes got the ball the game just stops around him.
Hine said Pendleburys on field ability combined with his leadership make him one of the best players hes seen in black and white.
Hes certainly right up there ... Hes just so durable and he plays at a really high level week in week out ... no matter what the circumstances, he said.
Hes proving to be an outstanding leader ... if there was one thing that surprised me about Scott is just how great a leader he is. |
That was interesting.
It also reinforced my opinion of Caroline Wilson.
........ |
She was reporting what "industry sources" were saying. It's great that Hine was ahead of the AFL recruiting industry. While she was not only a passive player in this she largely was. Her stand on Essendon and women in sport is / was merit worthy.
But we all have different opinions: mine & wrong ones |
The woman actually never reports on a game of footy. Simply because she knows nothing about the game. She reports on the politics of football only. Apart from any opportunity she sees to take someone down. Then she's like a dog with a bone and will never let the facts get in the way of a scoop. No credibility as a football journalist whatsoever I reckon. |
IMO that's a misunderstanding of her role at the Age. Patrick Smith of the Australian (ex age) doesn't write about the game either, it's not his role. By all means have a go at her but to say "she knows nothing about the game" reflects your anger not what she knows or doesn't know about the game.
Her role is what you've identified: Indeed she reports on the politics of the game & to analyse the politics. That's a tough job. We can have different views about whether she does that well or not but to say she knows "nothing about the game" is not supportable IMO.
She has won Walkley awards for her work- the highest award for journalists (I think) in Australia.
I don't like some of what she writes either.
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