Incident in Manchester UK

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[Skids]

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Arrest & UK PM notes that the Police believe they know the identity of the suicide murderer:

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/05/23/reports-of-explosion-at-manchester-concert.html

[David]

It seems so brutal and senseless. What are the primary goals of an attack like this?

[Morrigu]

And so it goes on

"Known to police "

" Out on bail"

ENOUGH already !! When do us plebs just going about our lives get the " their human rights" argument!!!

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[swoop42]

Unfortunately if people with this kind of mindset slip through the sophisticated net of surveillance there is little to stop them performing attacks on soft targets such as this.

Thankfully we in Australia are more able to control who enters our country but are not immune to homegrown acts of terrorism.

Unfortunately for the UK and the rest of Europe it's far harder to control the borders and it's a worry many ISIS fighters can and already have slipped back inside.

Sadly I feel this is just a sign of more to come, it may well escalate in the short term and the mind wanders to what other atrocities some will be willing to entertain.

One hopes that while lone wolf attackers are extremely hard to identify and stop any terrorist cells operating can be as the death toll from multiple attackers would be even more frightening.

I just hope we don't see schools being targeted which has happened in the Islamic world.

[Mugwump]

I'd say it is just a matter of time, Swoop.

David, one presumes that the goal is the usual aim of political and religious extremists throughout history : to express their rage and hatred for alternatives in which people seem happier, freer and kinder than they would be under the power of the extremists. At the individual level, it is presumably to cleanse some deep-rooted sense of personal inadequacy or unworthiness - dissolving the dilemmas and choices which are part of being an independent human being, by merging the self within a "cause".

The superficial rationale is to dissuade Western governments from seeking to influence the Islamic world. I suspect this is because Islam, a cultural, economic, military and scientific failure since at least the 18th Century (and in most senses well before that), has to find something outside itself to blame for its own feebleness and ignorance, or admit that Allah is not great. What better than to blame the civilisation which shows, by its success and luminosity, how retrograde Islam is, and has been ?

To which one can only say, what kind of God is made great by murdering little girls ?

Finally, it now seems clear that the perpetrator is a native-born British Muslim, as in most other terrorist attacks in the U.K. As this attack clearly owes something to Islam, so too it owes something to the deep diseases of British society. No doubt one's diagnosis of that illness will depend upon the bias of one's stethoscope, but history tells us that this does not have to be so - we just chose to make it that way.

[Skids]

Scoring political points??!

Yeah rite, who keeps the tally of those in the VPT?

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What we know so far about the perpetrator:

1. UK born of parents from Libya;
2. Raised, lived and went to Uni in Manchester;
3. Has recently returned from Libya (about a week or so ago);
4. It is presumed he was trained in Libya
5. Apparently there is a South Manchester Libyan Jihadi nexus with some jailed already - including converts re trying to get others to go to Syria etc
6. Apparently not known to police.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/manchester-libyan-connection-recruiting-ground-jihadists/

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[Pies4shaw]

The question for me is why second-generation British/French/whoever citizens do this. Apart from the obvious anger and aggression (and it's particular cultural manifestation), one can really only wonder how people become so thoroughly alienated from their own society that this strikes them as a tolerable option.